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Author Topic:   Fossils - Exposing the Evolutionist slight-of-hand
crashfrog
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Message 55 of 90 (50026)
08-11-2003 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by MisterOpus1
08-11-2003 6:41 PM


and that in an extremely short period of time by a process that can't coordinate anything unless it fortuitously falls into its lap. Given even a generous mutation rate, the chances of this explosion resulting from blind evolutionary processes (while natural selection is said to be non-random, mutation - which must come before natural selection - is driven purely by chance) is so highly unlikely that it is implausible
This sounds more or less like an argument from personal incredulity. I mean, even 10 million years is a long time for organisms with a generation time of a few years (or even less). Easily enough time to evolve.
After all, his point isn't that it couldn't happen over time. Simply that there doesn't appear to have been enough time.
Anyway, if we're arguing from incredulity, what's his position? That the Flood really happened, despite the vast evidence against it? That God really exists? What are the odds of God existing, anyway? Not high, in my book.

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crashfrog
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Message 67 of 90 (50194)
08-12-2003 4:05 PM
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08-12-2003 11:07 AM


I haven't asked his position specifically, but I gather from our earlier conversations that he is more or less just a skeptic of evolution in general. He has studied Behe and Dembski's IC systems to a pretty good extent, and feels very strongly with his assertions in this area.
But Behe and Dembski largely support evolution, except that they believe that certain things can't be explained by it. But they're by no means creationists.

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crashfrog
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Message 88 of 90 (153023)
10-26-2004 10:07 AM
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10-26-2004 9:56 AM


but no one can make DNA which is necessary for even the simpleist forms of life.
The simplest forms of life don't use DNA, though.

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