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Author Topic:   changes or mutations ... perhaps clarifying the terms in the process.
pink sasquatch
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Message 4 of 22 (267508)
12-10-2005 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
12-10-2005 10:38 AM


a non-issue
RAZD, I find this incessant questioning of the terminology quite silly, honestly.
RAZD writes:
The first bump this runs into is the definition of all changes in the DNA as mutations. Personally I find this definition to be useless.
Why is the definition useless? Don't you think we should have a word that means "all changes in the DNA"? I think a word defining that is damn useful.
Is "dog" a useless word because it doesn't specify the breed of dog?
You give your list of "types of changes". All these are qualified mutations.
This is what the scientific world does. They use qualifiers to further define the mutation, as in "point mutation", or "duplication mutation", or "translocation mutation." (Noun. Adjective. Get it? Non-issue.) In many contexts, terms are shortenened - "duplications" or "indels" for example.
In other words, all of the descriptive terminology needed is already in place and use, and your personal decision to start referring to "mutations" as "changes" has only made a more confusing situation - because you have used an even more generic term than the one you were complaining was too generic to begin with...
A non-issue.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 7 of 22 (267537)
12-10-2005 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
12-10-2005 11:39 AM


Q: a non-issue or issue not dealt with? A: a non-issue
what I want to talk about is the different kinds of changes the different mechanism.
glossing it over as all the same process is not helping that end.
I feel like you are the only one having issue with this.
No one is glossing over it, though it has been pointed out that you seem to make some unnecessary distinctions; sometimes seemingly incorrect distinctions.
There is existing language to specify the type and mechanism of any particular mutation.
Why add the redundant, generic term "change"? Weren't you just arguing that mutation was so generic is was "useless"? Isn't "change" even more generic, and thus more "useless"?
If you are using mutation and change as totally interchangeable terms and other people don't, then using "change" is providing more clarity to the discussion of how many kinds of changes there are, and NOT derailing it into a discussion of the definition of mutation.
Your statement is anything but "clear". It seems self-contradictory nonsensical doublespeak.
Moo-moo dogface to the banana patch?

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pink sasquatch
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Message 13 of 22 (267611)
12-10-2005 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
12-10-2005 12:56 PM


silly
so
how many different mechanisms are there?
to repeat the topic question a third time...
Perhaps if the thread intent is to list mechanisms of mutation, and NOT about defining mutations and changes, you should have thought of a better freakin' title than "changes vs mutations... perhaps clarifying the terms in the process".
I also think it's silly to write a post, and then tell others what they can and can not respond to, especially telling them they're not supposed to respond the part of the OP that corresponds to the title of the thread.
I'm sick of this crap. It seems like you are only interested in discussion if you are being told you are right. Otherwise you just post short, evasive, ambiguous comments.

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