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Dredge
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Message 764 of 830 (887652)
08-17-2021 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 751 by Faith
04-14-2020 3:00 AM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
A biblical "kind" may refer to a phylum. The various phylum appear suddenly (no evidence of a line of gradual evolutionary progression) in the fossil record, and contrary to the evolutionist propaganda, there is no fossil evidence of "branches" connecting phyla to form the single "tree" of common ancestry of Darwinist folklore. The fossil evidence looks more like an orchard than one lone tree.

In short, the creation of separate "kinds" explains the fossil evidence better than universal common descent.


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Message 769 of 830 (887717)
08-21-2021 2:47 AM
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08-19-2021 7:32 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
quote:
. If kind is the same thing as phylum then a toad could give birth to a human and it would still be according to the Bible

Really? Which Bible verse says/implies a toad could give birth to a human?

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Message 774 of 830 (887746)
08-21-2021 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by dwise1
08-21-2021 3:43 AM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
quote:
Plus there's that unspoken requirement for them to lie once they have learned anything about what they are talking about. And the more that they actually learn, the more they have to lie.

Hilarious. Pray tell, what " lie" have I uttered?

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Dredge
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Message 775 of 830 (887747)
08-21-2021 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 773 by Percy
08-21-2021 10:01 AM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
I take your point. I'd forgotten what the Bible actually says. Having been reminded, I realize that a phylum is way too broad to be a "kind", so maybe it refers to a class, order or family. Thank you for pointing out my error.

Furthermore, the creatures described in the verses you quoted are what we see today and not the 'original' creation. As someone once said, there are no rabbits in the preCambrian.

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Message 779 of 830 (887753)
08-21-2021 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 776 by AZPaul3
08-21-2021 3:18 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
No, that is not a lie. The fossil record shows phyla appearing suddenly and separately; after which diversification occurs within each phylum. So the fossil evidence looks like an orchard of separate, individual trees and not at all like a single tree.

The Darwinian single-tree diagrams typically presented to the masses are misleading - they are a mixture of fact and theory, but the reader is lead to believe that the diagram is based on factual fossil evidence. The reader is not informed that the "branches" connecting one phylum to another are theoretical - based on the assumption of common descent)- and are not the result of fossil evidence.

Sounds like you too have been misled.

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Message 789 of 830 (887763)
08-21-2021 8:38 PM
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08-21-2021 3:18 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
I forgot to mention that, not only are the "branches" connecting phyla inferred from theory, phylogenetic trees of life's history based on genetics often contradict phylogenetic trees based on different evidence, such as anatomy.

Furthermore, phylogenetic trees based on a certain anatomical feature will often contradict a tree based on a different anatomical feature. Brusca and Brusca state in "Invertebrates" (p.120) that "phylogenetic analysis at the level of phyla is highly problematical"; Jenner, in "Evolution of Animal Body Plans" (p.209) says "the study of higher level animal phylogeny has yielded ... little detailed consensus ... In point of fact, there exists no such thing as 'the traditional textbook phylogeny'. A diversity of different schemes can be found."

If common ancestry is the reality, such contradictions should not exist and different forms of evidence should all point to one, unambiguous phylogenetic tree.


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Message 790 of 830 (887764)
08-21-2021 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by AZPaul3
08-21-2021 4:20 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
AZPaul3 writes:

Precambrian - Wikipedia

The major body plans were well on their way in development when the hard-body versions developed and stuck easily in the mud to be fossilized.

It should be no surprise that these newly evolved critters would further diversify over the next 30 million years. That's what evolution does. And THAT is where and when the present body plans evolved.

Not suddenly or separately but slowly over millions of years in further development of life from the pre-cambrian populations


Thank you for this little piece of Darwinist folkllore. What a pity there is next to nothing in the fossil record to support it.

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Message 791 of 830 (887765)
08-21-2021 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by AZPaul3
08-21-2021 5:11 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
quote:
If he truly believes his god creation fantasy is true ...

Just curious ... how would you describe my "god creation fantasy", exactly?

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Message 792 of 830 (887766)
08-21-2021 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 785 by Percy
08-21-2021 5:38 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
quote:
I'm having trouble making sense of this. If you think the creatures we see today are not the same as those you think were originally created by God, then how do you think they became different?

I don't know how they became different ... and I dont think anyone else knows either ... or will ever know.

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Message 793 of 830 (887767)
08-21-2021 9:47 PM
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08-21-2021 5:11 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
quote:
In the face of all the truckloads of evidence Dredge insists it's all fake

I can't recall insisting it's all fake. Please tell me you're not lying. God forbid!

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Message 794 of 830 (887768)
08-21-2021 9:53 PM
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08-21-2021 5:11 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
quote:
He is not lying. He's god awful fucking stupid.

Wow ... such overt anger and hatred. Are you really that God-phobic?

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Message 795 of 830 (887769)
08-21-2021 10:02 PM
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08-21-2021 8:12 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
dwise1 writes:

Just what the hell are you talking about? Why are you falsely accusing me of something that I did not do


Why are you lumping me in with other creationists?

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Message 797 of 830 (887771)
08-21-2021 10:05 PM
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08-21-2021 5:42 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
I love your very vivid imagination! Bizarre ... but so entertaining.

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Message 799 of 830 (887773)
08-21-2021 10:12 PM
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08-21-2021 10:04 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
AZPaul writes:

Abject stupidity but with demons.


Now let me get this straight ... you don't what I believe about the history of life on earth, yet you call my belief "fantasy" and "stupidity". This is not your best work, is it?

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Dredge
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Message 801 of 830 (887775)
08-21-2021 10:27 PM
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08-21-2021 6:49 PM


Re: Ordinary selection of built in variation is not species to species evolution
I think now would be a good time for you to take an aspirin, make yourself a nice cup of tea, then have a good lie-down.

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