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Author Topic:   "Best" evidence for evolution.
Engineer
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Message 38 of 830 (498959)
02-15-2009 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
10-24-2008 9:33 PM


Re: The Diversity of Life, as we know it, from the evidence all around us.
quote:
Note that this is how science operates: take observations, develop conclusions from those observations and then formulate a theory based on those observations and conclusions, and then test the theory.

This is where I have a complaint. How do you test the theory of evolution in a way that is meaningful? You can illustrate fruitfly genetics, mutations, perhaps even speciation, but how do you show that a whole new phylum can come from this?

In addition, a natural origin to life requires abiogenesis of life from inert materials, I know this is an entirely different subject from evolution, but BOTH abiogenisis and evolution are required for a natural explanation for the origin to life as we know it TODAY.

Otherwise, Who among us will say God created life from inert materials, but evolution did the rest? I hate to digress here, and perhaps this should be in another thread.

Edited by Engineer, : life as we know it "TODAY" includes all forms of life which had a beginning somewhere.


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Engineer
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Message 42 of 830 (498973)
02-15-2009 7:12 PM
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02-15-2009 6:37 PM


Re: The Diversity of Life, as we know it, from the evidence all around us.
quote:
You say you realize that abiogenesis and evolution are different topics,

yes, I already pointed that out before you did.

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yet you posit both are required for a natural explanation for the origin of life even though evolution has nothing to do with origins. Something doesn't compute.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I thought I said "origin of life as we know it TODAY." That's what I meant, and I will revise the previous post. sorry.

Evolution is proposed for the "Origin of the Species", and the modern species are life as we know it today.

So, as I have already asked, does anyone here believe God started life from inert ingredients, and evolution did the rest?

Perhaps there are some people here that believe that. I am just asking? Is that ok?

Edited by Engineer, : No reason given.


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Engineer
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Message 45 of 830 (498980)
02-15-2009 8:15 PM
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02-15-2009 7:49 PM


Re: Two Views Of God
There is also another view -- That God indeed created life form inert ingredients, but nowhere in Genesis does it say how He created life. He doesn't like doing things that others can do for themselves.

Knowing that his creation would be challenged for its existence apart from his oversight, he made life adaptable in a way you know as evolution so he wouldn't have to micromanage everything. When the primates came along the picture gets blurred here. Genesis says Adam's children married into the land of Nod. We do not know where they came from.


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Engineer
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Message 46 of 830 (498981)
02-15-2009 8:18 PM
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02-15-2009 7:54 PM


Re: The Diversity of Life, as we know it, from the evidence all around us.
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So what do you think is the best evidence FOR evolution?

speciation. It possibly resolves some of the dilemmas of the ark. So I ask how the new world apes got to the ark from south america, but the theory of evolution is challenged with the same problem.

Edited by Engineer, : No reason given.


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