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Author Topic:   "Best" evidence for evolution.
NosyNed
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Message 328 of 830 (870122)
01-12-2020 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 327 by RAZD
01-12-2020 2:18 PM


Supporting
RAZD, you are, again, forgetting you're talking to someone who isn't very smart and not really able to read simple English talk about your more advanced English.

She doesn't even get what you are asking her to do when you request support.

I'm not going to bother to make the effort to word it in small enough words but maybe you can since you clearly have a lot more patience than I do.

I think what is needed are two species (that she agrees are separate "kinds" or whatever) and she has to show that the genome of one can not be changed to match the genome of the other when using known mutation types.
Seems simple enough to me and to you I'm sure but it needs to be spelled out in much more baby steps.

More directly related to the post I am replying to:
"spatial/temporal" matrix is obvious to you and I but the lower IQ individuals have more or less no grasp at all of what that is saying.


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NosyNed
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Message 388 of 830 (870450)
01-20-2020 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by Faith
01-19-2020 5:31 PM


Number of trials
And as I've thought it through the errrors involved and the numbers of trials required are impossible; evolution is simply impossible.

What is your estimate of the number of trails actually conducted in the human population over a 10 yr period? Note: this is not "what is required" which you should be able to supply but rather a simpler number -- the trials actually conducted.


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Message 393 of 830 (870485)
01-20-2020 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by Faith
01-20-2020 10:54 AM


Wrong Question (I think)
Your answer (and maybe the article) seems to be focused on what would be needed. That is the question I explicitly said we weren't looking at right now.
The question was the number of "trials". That is how many different mutations would there be in the human population in 10 years. Or if you want a generation (take it as 20 years if you want).

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Message 403 of 830 (870565)
01-22-2020 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 394 by Faith
01-21-2020 9:25 AM


Numbers of "trails"
There are 131 million humans born a year. According to Wikipedia each has 60 mutations. So in a generation (20 years) we have:
131 million times 60 x 20 is 157 billion mutations.
But that is a severe underestimate since about half of all conceptions spontaniously abort. Some for mechanical reasons and some, I am guessing, do to failed mutations. That is another 157 billion mutations but presumably a large fraction of those are all harmful.

So in the human population an estimate of the trails you go on about is about 15 billion per year.

The article you linked to seems to make a very basic mistake of not considering whole populations.
Let's go back a couple of billion years. There would have been trillions of unicellular things multiplying every day. So those would have 100 trillion "trails" per year for 2 billion years. That's around 200 million million billion trails. Very unlikely things can occur if you just keep rolling the dice.


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