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Author Topic:   "Best" evidence for evolution.
NoNukes
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Message 99 of 830 (763432)
07-24-2015 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by caffeine
07-24-2015 5:10 PM


Re: Best evidence for TOE? All the evidence.
The reason this was the trait I thought worthy of mention was the fact that it was so unlikely to be adaptive in a wild population.

Not to mention that it is just an example used at the end of this thread. In other threads examples of other dominant, not present in the base population mutations for dogs, cats, and humans have been discussed. The entire question about why only one example is chosen is completely bogus.


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NoNukes
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Message 103 of 830 (763501)
07-25-2015 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Dr Jack
07-25-2015 5:57 AM


And I came into this thread to post something almost identical to what I wrote back then. Evolution is not evidenced by any one thing. It's the extraordinary weight of evidence from so many independent sources.

I don't have much problem with this answer. But accepting that this form of answer is okay, should we be surprised when a creationist fails to focus on one answer when we ask them a the corresponding question about the best evidence against evolution?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 105 of 830 (763522)
07-26-2015 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Dr Adequate
07-25-2015 10:41 PM


If we want to argue that no pigs have wings, it would be fatuous to focus on just one pig: that wouldn't prove anything. But if someone wanted to disprove the proposition, one winged pig would be sufficient.

While that is true, arguments about the best evidence against evolution need not rise to the level of proof, they might just point to situations where the evolution explanation seems the most troublesome or questionable.

For example, if I were to be asked about the best evidence that general relativity was not correct, I'd probably point to the need to point to dark matter to explain things that are not beyond the realm in which Newtonian gravity should apply. Of course that would not be proof, just an argument. I might next talk about dark energy and then about whatever my pet theory was regarding red shift quantization.

I would not then have one killer piece of evidence, just a bunch of stuff about which I was highly suspicious.

Similarly, there might well be questions for which evolution proponents have answers, but for which the answers are speculative or weak. It might well take a large number of such arguments to constitute a substantial argument against evolution.

Now admittedly, the last person to react to the one best argument question spouted a bunch of Bible verses and PRATTs, but maybe someone else could do better.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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