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edge
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Message 136 of 196 (856347)
06-29-2019 9:04 PM
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06-29-2019 4:34 PM


Re: problem?
There is evidence of interruptions to deposition in the British Isles. ...

Across the bottom of the picture is Silurian layers that were laid down horizontally, lithified, then tilted by plates colliding. The tilt plates were eroded from the top and a layer of new sediment laid down & lithified (left center of picture).


What Faith doesn't get is that the deformation associated with rifting is different from collision. It usually starts with uplift and erosion followed by deposition and tilting. In fact, the tilting of the Old Red Sand (upper unite) in your image may be related to the rifting which began in the Permian. I'm not sure about that, but it is the type of deformation that I would expect. This type of plate margin is also called a 'passive margin' for obvious reasons.

The other problem is that I seriously doubt that anyone here knows where the new geological boundary of the Eurasian continental mass is in this area. I did an investigation of the geology once and it looked to be several hundred kilometers out to sea from the Irish and Scottish coasts toward Iceland. Frankly, it is a fascinating topic and draws one to the puzzle of Rockall Island.

So, in summary, we can confidently dismiss the mutterings of Faith when it comes to the geology of divergent plate boundaries.


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Message 137 of 196 (856348)
06-29-2019 9:07 PM
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06-29-2019 9:04 PM


Re: problem?
It had occurred to me that the original boundary would likely have been farther out to sea.
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Message 138 of 196 (856350)
06-29-2019 9:20 PM
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06-29-2019 9:33 AM


Also, if you date the Biblical Flood to 2348 BC as some do, that conflicts with real world history, such as the Egyptian sixth dynasty which would have been wiped out before it even got started!
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Message 139 of 196 (856351)
06-29-2019 9:23 PM
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06-29-2019 9:20 PM


"Real world history" back that far is a lot of subjective guesswork. Egypt didn't exist until after the Flood. Yep, way it goes.

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Message 140 of 196 (856360)
06-30-2019 6:12 AM
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06-29-2019 9:23 PM


quote:

"Real world history" back that far is a lot of subjective guesswork.

Not to the extent that it is even possible you could be right. There is an extensive archaeological record of Egypt going back further still.

quote:

Egypt didn't exist until after the Flood.

No Flood in the history, no Flood in the archaeology. You’re just mistaking myth for fact.


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Message 141 of 196 (856362)
06-30-2019 6:29 AM
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06-30-2019 6:12 AM


Timing the Flood
You know I can point to geological evidence that supports the Flood. We can debate about the timing of course but the Bible is pretty clear about timing it at roughly 4300 years ago and although you dispute the Bible, I of course don't. Archaeology isn't divinely inspired, believe it or not.
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Message 142 of 196 (856365)
06-30-2019 7:00 AM
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06-30-2019 6:29 AM


Re: Timing the Flood
quote:

You know I can point to geological evidence that supports the Flood.

I know that you have nothing of significance and that the weight of geological evidence thoroughly refutes your claim.

quote:

We can debate about the timing of course but the Bible is pretty clear about timing it at roughly 4300 years ago and although you dispute the Bible, I of course don't.

That timing makes the geological evidence irrelevant. Not that it matters. There is still no Flood to be seen.

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Archaeology isn't divinely inspired, believe it or not.

Neither is the Bible. But if you believe that it is, why are you so keen to interpret it as making false claims ? It’s not very different from claiming that the Bible says that the Earth is flat.


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Message 143 of 196 (856368)
06-30-2019 7:26 AM
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06-30-2019 7:00 AM


Re: Timing the Flood
Na, "the weight of geological evidence" isn't a problem, that's just the usual hidebound establishment idea of geological evidence. But the REAL evidence is good support for the Flood.
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Message 144 of 196 (856369)
06-30-2019 8:02 AM
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06-30-2019 7:26 AM


Re: Timing the Flood
quote:

Na, "the weight of geological evidence" isn't a problem, that's just the usual hidebound establishment idea of geological evidence. But the REAL evidence is good support for the Flood.

Things you made up are not “REAL evidence”, Faith. It’s way past time you learned that.


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Message 145 of 196 (856374)
06-30-2019 9:54 AM
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06-30-2019 8:02 AM


Re: Timing the Flood
I'm talking about real evidence that I have described many times, and I think you know that, it's you who play games, twist things, try to trip me up and so on. No, it's real evidence.
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Message 146 of 196 (856375)
06-30-2019 10:00 AM
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06-30-2019 9:54 AM


Re: Timing the Flood
quote:

I'm talking about real evidence that I have described many times, and I think you know that,

I think that you know that it isn’t true. Certainly you don’t have any real evidence of any significance. While we have plenty of evidence against your claims.

quote:

...you who play games, twist things, try to trip me up and so on.

Just more of your usual false accusations.

quote:

No, it's real evidence

Like your claim that there’s no erosion between strata ? That was made up, for one.


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Message 147 of 196 (856396)
06-30-2019 2:43 PM
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06-29-2019 9:23 PM


It's not just Egypt! What about Sumer and Agade and the Yangshao "painted pottery" culture of China? Were all of those somehow mis-dated?

If you want to peg the universe at six thousand years old (the "subjective guesswork" of adherents of the young earth creation hypothesis using multicentenarian biblical patriarch ages and similar "science"...) with a flood reducing the earth to a tabula rasa a millennium or two later you get a very dubious chronology indeed.


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Message 148 of 196 (856485)
07-01-2019 10:34 AM
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06-30-2019 2:43 PM


... with a flood reducing the earth to a tabula rasa a millennium or two later you get a very dubious chronology indeed.

With no evidence of a population bottleneck in all species at that time, no evidence of hyperfast evolution of existing species (especially beetles) from the preserved created "kinds" either in the fossil record or in the genetic record.

It's as if God/s big joke is to make everything both look old and match what evolution would look like while hiding the evidence of creation and a massive flood.

Sounds more like Loki ...

Enjoy

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Message 149 of 196 (856500)
07-01-2019 12:04 PM
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07-01-2019 10:34 AM


And let's not forget the fish. If you dump all that fresh water in the oceans and let it swirl around for more than a month all the fish that have to have salt water to survive will find life difficult!
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Message 150 of 196 (856587)
07-01-2019 6:39 PM
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07-01-2019 12:04 PM


... If you dump all that fresh water in the oceans and let it swirl around for more than a month all the fish that have to have salt water to survive will find life difficult!

As will the fish, etc., that need fresh water when the salt water is mixed in. Plus all that silt ...

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