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Author Topic:   The Evolution of Flight.... why are some birds grounded?
crashfrog
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Message 50 of 84 (57646)
09-24-2003 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by hoju
09-24-2003 11:38 PM


Just because something cannot be proven does not mean it didnt happen. This goes for the bible and evolution. I believe in the bible, and the bible has no place for evolution so I do not believe evolution.
But, if something can be proven, it probably did happen. The fossil record largely proves that evolution did occur, and continuing studies prove that it does occur. If you can't reconcile the Bible and evolution, well, that's your problem, but personally, in the face of competing views, I throw out the one with the least evidence. That would be the Bible.
Many people writing about the same thing from all over the world in different times. They all dreamed it up?
No, they just copied from each other. After all the Bible wasn't written all at once by a bunch of different authors. And they weren't "all over the world", they were in one little corner of it. The internal consistency of the Bible may be strange to you, but even the Star Wars books are as internally consistent and authored by as many (or more) people, and we don't go saying that the Star Wars books are true just because they all agree with each other.
Anyway what does this have to do with birds?
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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 84 (57653)
09-25-2003 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by hoju
09-24-2003 11:58 PM


Heres the thing, you look on creation sites, evolution sites. Both have different explanations for same thing. Who to believe?
A great question! Basically, you have to look at the methodology. It's a major tenant of science that the methodology is always transparent - you not only know what conclusions the scientists came to, but the methods they used to reach them, because all that is published in the paper. Creationists do not often refer to their methodology, but when they do, it's generally something on the order of "The Bible must be assumed to be inerrant, so any evidence we find against the Bible can be automatically rejected.
Scientists let the data dictate their models. Creationists use their models to decide which data to ignore. Who do you think is more trustworthy?
People saying it happened is evidence.
What people? If you're talking about the authors of the Bible, we know they weren't there to observe the events they say happened. Right there that makes their claims pretty suspect.
Anyway, people lie. What people say can't be taken as evidence - you'll note that even in courts of law what people say - "hearsay" - isn't admissable as evidence.
Thats your hypothesis, cant be validated.
If one author makes a mistake, and another, later author makes the very same mistake, then I'd say that's evidence that the later one copied from the earlier one, for instance.
Many parts of the bible CAN be proven by historical data, basically the only part people disbelieve is Genesis.
What about the Exodus? After all the Egyptians kept pretty good records, and they never mention either keeping Hebrew slaves or their departure. And the loss of most of their workforce, as it says in the Bible, would be something they would have noticed, don't you think?

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