Christopher Bohar's Debate Challenge

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Bohar emailed me directly with an arrogant and insulting challenge to debate, but when I emailed a response to him, it could not find him! I posted a response in Fred Williams' guest book on his web site at http://www.evolutionfairtytale.com, since Bohar repeatedly referred to that site as though he and Williams were bosom buddies. Fred Williams' response to that was to "ban" me (big punishment!) from even *reading* his guest book, let alone posting anything in it (he even banned me from reading his "response to Budikka" on that same site!).

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Ian, I see you are still fond of telling stories. First, you are only the second person in the 5 year history of my website that was banned from my guestbook. Why? You were warned not to post other’s personal email correspondence to my book without their permission, and since you again failed to respect this simple rule you were banned. Second, your last sentence is also misleading since I emailed you my response, knowing you were no longer going to be able to access it in the protected guestbook area.If you promise you will be good and never again post personal email without the author’s permission, I will remove the lock of your IP. I know you are just itching to get back on your favorite site on the web!

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Once it is emailed to someone, especially if it is unbidden, and especially if there are no caveats pertaining to it, it becomes the property of the recipient to do with as they wish. Your view on this (as on many other things) is quite plain and simply wrong once again, and serves nothing but your own self-interests.

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No, it served the self-interests of other guestbook visitors who were not happy with being inundated with your email, then unbeknownst to them posting their comments to my guestbook. I don’t care about the legalities of whether or not email sent to you is your property. I made the rule because of your abuses (perhaps I should call it the Budikka rule on your behalf), you then chose to continue to violate it as well as my other posted guestbook etiquette, and thus you were booted off. Anyone can visit my site and see I censor nobody, provided they abide by the simple rules. I actually preferred your entries because they were great at exposing the speciousness of the arguments for evolution.

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Williams: "Second, your last sentence is also misleading since I emailed you my response, knowing you were no longer going to be able to access it in the protected guestbook area."
Another Williams self-serving lie. The material you emailed to me is not the same material that is in the specific "Response to Budikka" section of your web site and you know it, unless you have recently changed it.

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It is EXACTLY the same as was sent to you. I made NO changes.Ian, you are one bitter individual. Perhaps you should take up badminton or something.

Hi Percy,

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P: Fred, might I suggest that, independent of who is at fault in the exchange between you and Budikka at your site, that issues of fairness and objectivity can't help but be called into question when the same individual is both debater and moderator.

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I think you miss the point. Recall our exchange about a certain past creationist on your board I had a sincere question about? Imagine what you would think if I posted on this board your response (not to imply it wasn't sincere and respectful, which is beside the point). I’m sure you would agree it would be totally unprincipled on my part to post your private comments, and you would have every right to remove them. So you need to know this is exactly what Ian Wood did on my board. Ian’s claim that he was merely trying to get a hold of Chris Bohar means he either has a horrible memory or is lying. I have his original guestbook entry to prove it. He posted a portion of Bohar’s email that was totally unecessary in an attempt to embarrass him about something he mentioned about another creationist. He stooped to this unethical behavior despite having been warned on several prior occasions not to post private email messages to my guestbook.My treatment to Ian has been extremely fair. I did not moderate a single portion of our lengthy debate, nor have I edited or moderated any of his guestbook entries except for those containing private emails. The rules of my guestbook are simple and easy to comply with. Ian seems to be the only one who has trouble following them out of the scores of evolutionists who have posted there over the last 5 years.I won't comment on this any further, and I apologize for this waste of bandwidth on the board.

LOL indeed! Mammuthus, why am I not surprised you deny Jesus Christ existed? Only a small handful of incredibly incompetent historians doubt he existed. You might as well deny Ceasar existed, or Alexander, or many others of antiquity. And you call Ten-Sai the "dillusional brain dead" one? Methinks you should take a look in the mirror. You really are something else. There are virtually no historians of any ilk, including a vast number of liberal historians, who doubt his existence. The few times these contrarians speak out, they come across as wacko fruitcakes and are not taken seriously by their peers.Where the debate lies is whether or not He is who He says he is. If anyone is interested, I would recommend any of Simon Greenleaf's writings. His 'Testimony of the Evangelists' is available online:http://www.markers.com/ink/sgtestimony.htmI also recommend Strobel's "A Case for Christ" available at all major online bookstores.