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Headcase
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Message 31 of 84 (55743)
09-16-2003 10:42 AM
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09-16-2003 10:32 AM


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I don't believe in purple pixies on Venus. I've been there and looked everywhere. I didn't see any...

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Brian
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Message 32 of 84 (55744)
09-16-2003 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Headcase
09-16-2003 10:40 AM


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HI,
I am sorry but your information regarding Muhammad is incorrect. Muhammad never wrote a thing, he was illiterate so how could he have written anything?
A little research is all it takes to correct your error.
Brian.

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awinkisas
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Message 33 of 84 (55747)
09-16-2003 10:56 AM
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09-16-2003 10:35 AM


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Sorry, but God does create broken vessels meant for destruction.
If I understand you correctly you are saying that some people are pre-destined for Hell. In other words they don't have any choice in the matter. What happened to free will? I thought god wanted all men to be saved?
"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:4

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Karl
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Message 34 of 84 (55766)
09-16-2003 12:39 PM
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09-16-2003 10:35 AM


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How you can get from "God so loved the world" to God hating anyone is beyond me. God's motivation in Incarnation is His love of the whole world.
It's a relief that your God isn't the real one.

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Headcase
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Message 35 of 84 (55771)
09-16-2003 1:18 PM
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09-16-2003 12:39 PM


Re: Reply
So God doesn't hate anyone?

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Headcase
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Message 36 of 84 (55772)
09-16-2003 1:23 PM
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09-16-2003 10:56 AM


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God knew where you were going, be it either heaven or hell, when he created you... That is what Jeremiah speaks of when he makes the analogy of the pots for royal use and pots for destruction,
God wants everyone to be saved... He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance...

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Headcase
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Message 37 of 84 (55774)
09-16-2003 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Brian
09-16-2003 10:43 AM


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Okay, Mooham add didnt write nothin, I misspoke, Please forgive the intrusion on the immplacable doctrine of man...

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Minnemooseus
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Message 38 of 84 (55787)
09-16-2003 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Headcase
09-15-2003 1:51 PM


Headcase, in message 1:
quote:
Why could God not have created a Universe with 15 billion years of "Evolution" in only 6 days?
awinkisas, in message 2:
quote:
So god created a universe in 6 days but made it appear that it really took 14 billion year and that it could have occured naturally? Why did he try to trick us? Does he want us to doubt his existence?
OK, I propose that the story is, that God created the universe via evolutionary (in the broad sense of the term) processes, over a +/- 15 billion years, and then passed down an extremely simplified version of the story, which had the creation happening in 6 days. And/or the story God passed down has gotten very distorted by man, as time has passed.
Moose
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Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
My big page of Creation/Evolution Links

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xwhydoyoureyesx
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Message 39 of 84 (55820)
09-16-2003 5:12 PM


You assert the statement that there is no God, RIGHT? The burden of proof is on you. You have a poor defense of your belief as an atheist. Where is you EVIDENCE to support your THEORY of atheism?
No I don't, I never said that. Wrong. How can i have a belief in
nonexistance? such reasoning defies logic.
I think someone above this said something about proving the non-existence of pink elephants...
I don't believe there is a god because there is no objective evidence for his existence. There is no "theory of atheism," I'm sure all atheists here would agree that if there was a parting of the clouds with a bright light and a booming voice that yes there was a god. How can you actively disbelieve in something? I require no faith system to not believe.

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zephyr
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Message 40 of 84 (55898)
09-16-2003 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Headcase
09-16-2003 1:23 PM


Re: Reply
quote:
God knew where you were going, be it either heaven or hell, when he created you... That is what Jeremiah speaks of when he makes the analogy of the pots for royal use and pots for destruction,
God wants everyone to be saved... He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance...
The God described in these posts is either not omniscient or not omnipotent. Let's start with the first part: he knew where I (for example) was going before he created me. That means that he knows, right now, whether I am going to heaven or hell. That's part of omniscience. Let us assume, for the sake of discussion, that I am destined for hell because I don't believe in him, and my faith of past years is probably not going to get me anywhere, especially after what I'm posting tonight.
Now, since God is omnipotent, and he doesn't want me to go to hell, I won't go to hell. But wait - God already knew where I was going when I was created. It has already been determined by him, and he knows it, and being infallible, he can't be wrong. So, it's outside of his power to change my destiny!
To quote Douglas Adams: "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

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Asgara
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From: Wisconsin, USA
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Message 41 of 84 (55901)
09-16-2003 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Headcase
09-16-2003 1:23 PM


Re: Reply
If your god is unwilling that any should perish, then why would he create beings that he "knows" will not accept him?
Omniscience and free will are mutually exclusive concepts...can't have it both ways.
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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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Headcase
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Message 42 of 84 (56098)
09-17-2003 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Minnemooseus
09-16-2003 2:21 PM


Reply to the professor
The problem with your theory doc is that it contradicts the Bible... It didn't take God 15 billion years, it took him 6 days, the Bible is never in error... if the mechanical science version contradicts the Bible then it is wrong. If you believe the Bible is in error and distorted by man, whats the point in believeing in it at all... You might as well base your belief in God on the Koran or Vedas or whatever the Hindu sacred text is... There is big difference between giving God the nod as the old man in the rocking chair sittin back with galss of lemonade loving the world that he merely started then let go and vaguely recorded in this somewhat truthful book, The bible... and Giving God His Due Respect as lord of all inerrant and irrefutable... Not to say that I have never thought as you do, because i have, then i got to know the lord better through His word...
He loves me personally and I know he watching and leading every step i make

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Headcase
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Message 43 of 84 (56099)
09-17-2003 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Asgara
09-16-2003 10:07 PM


Re: Reply
God created baby killing homosexual pedafiles, did he make them do it?
Or did they choose that path for themselves... Just because God gives you a chance doesn't make him wrong... He is willing that none should perish and that all should come to repentance... That doesn't mean they will... God creates things perfectly, their will is the one that condemns them ...

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Headcase
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Message 44 of 84 (56100)
09-17-2003 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by zephyr
09-16-2003 9:49 PM


Re: Reply
God is so powerful he gives you the right to choose, just because he doesnt want you to go to hell doesn't mean he wont send you there if you dont accept the sacrafice Jesus has made for you...

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4959 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
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Message 45 of 84 (56101)
09-17-2003 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:38 PM


Re: Reply
God created baby killing homosexual pedafiles, did he make them do it?
Yes He made them do it, it is all part of His plan, which is beyond our understanding.
Or did they choose that path for themselves...
No God chose that path when he created them as baby killing homosexual pedophiles.
Just because God gives you a chance doesn't make him wrong...
You dont have a chance, if you are save then you are saved, nothing you can do about it either way.
He is willing that none should perish and that all should come to repentance...
Untrue, opnly God's Elect will be saved, the rest of you lot will burn.
God creates things perfectly, their will is the one that condemns them ...
Untrue, the Bible never states that God created anything 'perfectly', He certainly goofed with Adam and Eve. it would be their imperfect will then that condemns them, a will that God created.
Brian.
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