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FliesOnly
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Message 108 of 299 (246913)
09-28-2005 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by david12
09-28-2005 1:58 AM


Hi david12:
david12 writes:
I am not
asking for differences on lets say, a horse, that has a different number of
toes. A horse with one toe and a horse with two are both horses.
Ok, a horse has "one" toe and deer has "two" toes (actually, horses are perissodactylids (odd toed) while deer are artiodactylids (even toed)...but that's just nit-picking). Are you suggesting that a horse and a deer are the same species?
david12 writes:
If we are talking science, which most evolution based men do, how do you
justify evolution when the Law of Entropy and the Law of the conservation of
matter have been scientifically proven?
You need to do a bit of reading...this has been covered many many times in this forum alone. Evolution in no way violates thermodynamic laws.
david12 writes:
Every component in the eye needs to be present and alligned for it to work.
Not true. Again, do some reading before making statements like this.
david12 writes:
If they eye is evolving(a fishes eye is different than ours) then how come everything isnt blind?
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here, can you explain what you mean by this?
david12 writes:
(this is just a point if you want to contradict it you may) Everything
in the world has a creator.
Define "creator". To me, mutation and natural selection fit your statement, but somehow I doubt that you see it that way.
david12 writes:
The computer im looking at was
put together in a factory somewhere, and the pieces to make it were formed
by a creator as well.
When was the last time you saw two computers copulate?
david12 writes:
Is it not feasable to conclude that the earth and its
inhabitants have a creator too?
Again, define "creator".

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FliesOnly
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Message 235 of 299 (266735)
12-08-2005 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Carico
12-08-2005 12:17 AM


Re: Learning by taking the time to read
Carico writes:
They didn't turn into dogs like evolutionists say apes turned into humans.
Show me where even ONE evolutionary biologist says this.
You have some pretty strange ideas and concepts about evolutionary biology. Maybe you should attempt to open your mind a bit and do some reading on the subject.

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FliesOnly
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Message 236 of 299 (266736)
12-08-2005 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by NosyNed
12-08-2005 12:30 AM


Re: Learning not to waste time
NosyNed writes:
I used to enjoy endless banter with visitors like you. Others still have some patience. I don't anymore.
Wow...I'm stunned. You were always the mainstay patient one here and now even you have gone the way of Crashfrog (well...maybe not that far yet).

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FliesOnly
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Message 263 of 299 (266791)
12-08-2005 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Carico
12-08-2005 8:03 AM


Re: Learning by taking the time to read
Carico writes:
So now are you saying that apes did not turn into humans and we are not descendants of apes?
Correct. Apes did not turn into humans nor are we their descendants. What we say is that apes and humans share a common ancestor.
Carico writes:
And you have no patience with ME?
I never said that.
Carico writes:
You guys can't even agree on a premise! Or you change it as fast as the weather. But that's what happens when the premise is a lie.
What exactly is our premise? In the first sentence, you say we have no premise. In the next sentence you say we constantly change our premise. And in the third sentence you say our premise is a lie. Wow, I'm impressed...three consecutive contradictory sentences.
You need to relax a bit and maybe do some reading about the ToE. You seem to have some typical creationist’s ideas about the theory and claims made by evolutionary biologists. Your "apes to man" argument is one such example. I'll repeat this so we are clear...Nowhere in the ToE is such a claim supported nor does any evolutionary biologist makes such a claim.

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FliesOnly
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Message 267 of 299 (266807)
12-08-2005 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Wounded King
12-08-2005 10:35 AM


Re: Learning by taking the time to read
Wounded King writes:
Would it not be better to say that modern apes did not turn into humans nor are we their descendants. The last common ancestor of 'apes' and humans would almost certainly be classified as an ape. Taxonomically after all humans are still classified as apes.
While technically, yes, you are correct and I'd agree, I will not accept that Carico, after an admitted thirty years of hearing about the ToE, does not understand the difference.
His line of argument is utter BS and it gets a bit tiring reading it over and over again. If he chooses to play word games, then fine, it only solidifies my belief that he doesn't want to hear anything about the ToE that contradicts his preconceived notions.
By the way, I've always wanted to point out that for reasons I cannot explain, I absolutely love your avatar.

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