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Taz
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Message 40 of 55 (490716)
12-07-2008 2:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 39 by fallacycop
12-07-2008 11:12 AM

Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
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People with dawn syndrome don't reproduce.
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First of all, some females with down syndrome CAN reproduce, given that the male counterpart is normal. I can't say I've heard of a case where a down syndrome male has been able to reproduce. Anyway, the offsprings have a very high chance of having down syndrome as well.
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Many severe disabilities will also prevent reproduction.
While this is true, the same can be said about severe disabilities that don't prevent reproduction.
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You didn't answer my question about the fact that you and me are not able to produce vitamine c. Are we unfit?
It's an inconvienience that primates have apparently been able to overcome.
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Taz
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12-07-2008 2:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 38 by Huntard
12-07-2008 4:35 AM

Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
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Now, I'm not saying I don't WANT these people to live, I'm saying that if we didn't have intelligence, such individuals would have a much lesser chance to survive to reproductive age.
Fit or not depends on environmental factors. This includes the care they receive from the society they live in. Some of them DO reproduce, so apparently they are fit enough to survive and reproduce.
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That said (and you have my permission to call me heartless), I don't want them to reproduce.
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Taz
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12-07-2008 3:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 42 by Huntard
12-07-2008 3:10 PM

Re: Evolution by Personal Selection
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Well, if you see everything humans do as natural, then of course, yes, you are right. I don't, so I guess we'll just have to differ in opinion here, as there really isn't an argument that will convince either and this basically come down to semantics then.
Semantics or not, exactly where do we draw the line and say this is natural and this is not? We have found skeletal remains of neanderthals that lived for years with debilitating diseases. They would have died if it weren't for others in their communities caring for them. They certainly weren't human.
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