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Author Topic:   An evolution paradox
crashfrog
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Message 18 of 31 (158710)
11-12-2004 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by techristian
11-12-2004 11:31 AM


The very thing (our intelligence) that has "evolved" us to this point and helped mankind to survive , up to this point, could ultimately be the thing that causes our extinction.
Yeah, that happens all the time. It wouldn't really be surprising; the Homo genus hasn't been a very successful evolutionary branch. There's only one existing species in it, after all.
In an objective sense, human kind is an evolutionary failure (of, if not a failure yet, then an incipient one), not a success. If you want to see evolutionary successes, check out rats, bats, and antelope.

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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 31 (163891)
11-29-2004 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Wounded King
11-29-2004 11:12 AM


Re: Imagine...
Is an animal which can predict the behaviour or even understand the motivation of another animal using imagination?
Oo, good question. One might also ask:
Is an animal that displays introspective problem-solving using imagination?
Is an animal that can find a real-world location when it's analog is pointed out on a map using imagination?

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crashfrog
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Message 27 of 31 (163943)
11-29-2004 2:35 PM
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11-29-2004 12:12 PM


Is this something you know to have been attempted or a purely hypothetical scenario?
Something I saw on TV once. They had a room with cupboards and drawers, etc, and a small model of the room which they showed to a gorilla, who watched them hide a model of a treat in one of the model cupboards. When they let the gorilla into the room she immediately went to the analagous cupboard for the treat, even when it wasn't actually there (so she wasn't smelling it, etc.)
I don't, offhand, have the exact details of the experiment. I'm sure we could look it up.
I can certainly imagine a mouse learning that if a certain part of a map was highlighted it would find food in a corresponding area, while still having no concept that the map itself is an abstract representation of the maze it was navigating.
Fair enough. Suppose, though, that a section of the map was highlighted for the mouse for the first time, and that it was for a section of the area that the mouse had never been fed in. If the mouse heads right to that area for the reward, can we then propose that the mouse is actually doing some mental mapping? It seems the most reasonable explanation to me.

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