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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Well, I came here to discuss that TOE is now already an obsolete and old theory. Actually, you came here to tell us how good Interrelation Theory is. Is Interrelation Theory rubbish without contrasting it to ToE? You've used the first 500 words to tell us that you have a theory and that peer review mags won't publish it because they're unable to pull themselves away from their ToE dogma. I could have explained the ToE in less words with a degree of accuracy that would allow for testable predictions: i.e., no rabbits in the Cambrian. If your "theory" has any value it needs it independently of how much rubbish the ToE may be. If it's any good ToE will fall on it's own. I've read your site. You don't have a theory: you have a word. You keep repeating the word as if it has some kind of meaning. last summer I was given the great honor of being one-of-anyone-who'd-pay-some-minor-attention of studying the blue prints of a genuine, working UFO. This guy had spent untold hours weeks drawing this thing up in every, prosaic detail. He'd labeled the grommets used where wire passed through bulkheads. And right smack dab in the middle was a circular room marked "Primary Magneto-Reniatory Units" These were, I was told, the motors that made it go. End details. Oh yeah! You have icon's too. Why didn't Darwin use icons rather then arguments? He'd have been in like Flynn with the Catholics. This is a science board. You need to argue your position not sell it. As to your definitions: Seems to me you have this "common interrelated originator (CIO)" that needs defining much more the "time". I'm guessing most folks here would figure out "time" on their own. And then there are your mechanisms: "BIOTIC PRESERVATION MECHANISM (BPM)". Things don't die on purpose. You had to study that; hun? I mean, it's your prime mechanism. It really needs to have a bit more lan vital if it's not to just sort of a D'ah statement. Okay! I just have to admire your experiments. They are more telling of your mind set than all the rest of your missive. I present them here because I'd hate it if people with something interesting to do were to miss them.
Experiment: Experiment in plant. Take for example, two grains or seeds of mongo beans (Phaseolus aureus) . Put one seed of bean in a jar/or garden jar filled with soil (and plant the mongo bean on soil) and put it under the shade or have no sunlight. Or put it inside the closet. Let us call this jar, Pinoy 1. And do the same with the other jar. Let us call this other jar, Pinoy 2. Put Pinoy 2 in direct sunlight. Leave it for seven days. Everyday, put a little water on it to grow. While leaving the two jars, put small amount of water to grow. Leave the twe jars in seven days and you will see that Pinoy 1 had a longer stem than Pinoy 2. That means, Pinoy 1, just to preserve its life, is elongating its stem looking for way to find sunlight. Pinoy 1 is following the biotic presrvation mechanism that I am saying. Experiment in Living AnimalPrepare one house rat or mouse and put it in a small carton box, 30 cm x 50 cm x H= 50 cm will do. Before you put the rat in that box, put 2 sheets of old newspaper as mat for the rat. But don't give it a chance to escape. Then, give the rat food to eat like cheese. Do it everyday in three consecutive days. And give this rat water too. Then, look and observe how it behaves. Do it in three days and observe for three days. The rat will be just fine though it looks scary. After three days, threat it to kill the rat. Literally, hit it with a stick. Now, look at how this rat responses. This rat is looking for cover to hide. This rat is looking for way to live by chaning its body size to smaller size to fit any holes or openings. ResultsExperiment in Plant By this simple experiment, the jar, named as Pinoy 1, had a longer stem than the jar, named as Pinoy 2, which put in direct sunlight. Experiment in AnimalThe result is that this rat is changing its body size to fit any holes or openings for cover, just to save its life. ConclusionBoth results in the animal and plantEs experiment tell me that the reason why those livibfg organisms are changing is that they are follwoing the interreklaton process, by the mechanism of biotic preservation mechaism. And it is not evolution process by natural selection. Is it evolution by natural selection? No. It is biotic preservation by interrelation.
Predictions: 1. That any organisms with subjected to any natural stressors will surely interrelate, but not evoleve.2. And the degree of interrelation will be depends upon the degree of stressors that will affect those living organisms in concern 3. In a population of any living organisms, the observable change is also interrelation and the change is limited. It is called the permissible interrelated change or allowable change for any organism to interrelate to retain their identity and uniqueness, that differs from other species. I don't think you'll find a single person to argue with your conclusion that this is not evolution by natural selection. Edited by lyx2no, : Submitted rather than previewed again. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Yes, this is the biotic preservation mechanism. And it is excatly the opposite of natural selection. ToE states that randomly generated variations in an organism's genetic make-up are past along to it's offspring with a greater likelihood if those variations increase the likelihood of that organism having offspring. That's kind of hard to argue with. Given enough cycles of variation/selection and the biological natural history of the Earth is pretty much explained. This is backed up with giga-pantloads of evidence. Any theory that intends to replace it will have to say something about how modifications are passed along to future generations. Your theory fails to do that. At it's best it says that organisms will react to their environment. Lineage Continuation Mechanism (LCM) states little more then monkey see monkey do. By smacking one monkey a population of monkeys can learn to flinch when they see a stick. Agreed. How do monkeys learn to have red hair? Advantageous Properties Mechanism or APM is a form of selection. However, unlike ToE your monkeys, having derived it from the CIO*, inherently have all the possible variables available to them that are merely sorted out by behavior. This isn't a new idea. I've read it in these very pages quite often. But again, how do monkeys learn to have red hair?
*As you state it: The source is the common interrelated originator (CIO). This CIO, if we can prove and find it by our scientific research or study or experiment is the only source of this mechanism and my theory. This CIO maybe the originator or creator of life. Is it God? Is it alien? Is it water of the sea in nature? The best plausible explanation is the biblical God. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
In effect, your theory predicts your theory. It's kind of cute in a Hello Kitty sort of way. I especially enjoy that animals, if they have to to save their own live, will deal with each other and the environment. By the way, I realize I may be, probably am, unfairly using your shortcoming in the language against you, but it's funny. AbE: Though, I do want to assure you that I will not judge your theory based on anything other then its own merits. Edited by lyx2no, : x Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Yeah, English is my 3rd language. From the age of five I've tried French, German, Dutch, Spanish and Russian. I have no ear: I failed at them all as quickly as is humanly possible. Though, I can say about three words from each. As it is I struggle to achieve idiosyncratic English. About the only slang I use automatically is "cool". By the way; welcome aboard. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Yes, you will surely ignore the mechanism of biotic preservation mechanism (BPM), I don't care. But even so, the fact that we see it in nature and it is natural and testable is there. And this fact will never change whether you like it or not. You mistake a motive for a mechanism. Your rat has a motive for squeezing through an impossibly tiny hole, but that doesn't supply a "how" unless rat wishes come true. Now, the rat's stress may cause it to suffer an increased, nervous metabolism, loss of appetite, and weight reduction. There you have a mechanism: anxiety. Nonetheless, this is not the point at which one reaches a grand conclusion; aka, THEORY. One says to themselves, "Self, Is there a possible connection with this rat's predicable behavior to cellulose impactor events (CIE)'s (Just trying to make my post all sciency like yours) and the long term variation in rat populations? What might that connection be and how could that connection be made observable?" If one manages to concoct a mechanism, one makes predictions of unique, observable, sufficient and necessary outcomes to which one can tailor experiments that can make plain the connection. Not wishing to die is a wee bit too ubiquitous to be considered unique, sufficient or necessary. Congrat's, professional dude, you achieved observable. You also keep making the strange argument that proponents of the ToE don't know, don't care, or don't concur about rat responses to (CIE)'s I think it's safe to say we all respond negatively to (CIE)'s and therein recognize the impetus for the rat to seek lodgings elsewhere. You also have to rid yourself of the silly notion of the more mechanisms the better. Newton reduced planetary motions to a single mechanism. Anyone want to add a Revolution Preservation Mechanism (RPM). {I can hear the conservation of angular momentum crowd even now. Well, shut-up.}{ And before any of you don't shut-up, I know that orbital deflection is not a conserved property but continually induced by gravity. So my little joke doesn't really work if given any consideration, So I'll not make it in stand-up; well, boo-hoo.} Ever hear of the Law of Parsimony: Occam's razor. My own corollary states one event has one mechanism. ToE has two parts; thus, two mechanisms. Part one: Variation. Part two: Selection. Mechanism one: Imperfect Replication. Mechanism two: Limited Resources. Sufficient and necessary.
I am the discoverer of this new theory and new mechanisms, so I think it is my right to use the best suitable words or terms for this theory. Since you did not yet read all the explanation in my web site, then, you will surely never know what is Interrelaton Theory. I don't blame you. Or probably, you will just ignore it. It is OK for me. You have no new ideas at your website. You've named a few ideas that have been floating around. Your COI, or whatever, is the same as the Noah's ark boy's "kinds" claim. Your "time" thingy is merely a claim to having "discovered" a mechanism to limit the evolution you're forced to admit. Watch this: "Hey look guys, an 8th continent." Okay, who believed me? 'cause I didn't really discover an 8th continent. I was only pretending. Try it for yourself Oh yeah! That's right. You already did. Edited by lyx2no, : No reason given. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
TOE believes that natural selection is the main mechanism for rats to change Depending on how you mean this it is either close enough, misleading or wrong. But it nowhere is correct. Selection sorts out mutations between advantageous and disadvantageous. It does not cause them. Changes are random events that happen every time a genome replicates itself. BPM is an effect, not a cause. It is a one of the methods of increasingly efficient replication that genomes have blindly stumbled upon while replicating themselves. A genome is stupid. It replicates itself because that's what genomes do. They don't know. They don't care. They can't. Chemistry is the driving force, not life. Life is what we call that chemistry which successfully reproduces itself. BPM is an attempt give that chemistry (life) deeper meaning. If genome replication has no meaning to genomes there's no need to consider one in the ToE. LCM is also an effect of genomes falling into increasingly efficient methods of replicating themselves. They don't have the capacity to foresee, understand, or plan these methods. Genomes that stumble upon a more efficient method of replication increase their numbers at the expense of those that do not. The stumbling is called mutation, the replication at the expense of others is called selection. APM is a hodgepodge of nonsense. Part of it is a reiteration of LCM. Part of it is MSM. There might be a kernel of independent idea in there but a gnat just few up my nose so I'll be sorting that out leaving you to sort out an independent APM. Your MSM does not deal with time. It is artifice forced upon you to satisfy your insistence that organisms don't evolve beyond their "type". That organisms do evolve beyond their "type" removes the need for it.
I can say [it is an imaginary continent] too to TOE. You can say the ToE is imaginary. But you can pull your boat up it, disembark and build a house on it. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
You gotta love Dr.Adequate's arrogance [so true] and how he never was told even once (since I'm here) to be more respectful by the admins ... Worse, he had his message stricken by admin only 12 days ago. *Dr. Adequate's original ” and I must add "adorable" ” message.
{So, you think inserting this extraneous blather is a good thing? Including quoting what was "hidden" in that other message? You like linking to admin disiplanery actions elsewhere? Remember this one? I suggest you monitor and tighten up your own posting quality. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by lyx2no, : Fix MID. Change subtitle. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : The red stuff. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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