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harry
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Message 1 of 50 (503078)
03-15-2009 9:15 PM


Hey everyone
Is there a better proof for evolution that the ring species? I don't think so.
Unfortunately, I only know of 2.
If anyone knows of any ring species, please post them here, with decent reference source that I could take a look at/buy.
Shall I start with a classic example in case people do not know what I mean?
Enstantina Salamanders (The Ancesotor's Tale, first edition Richard Dawkins) Buy it now, its superb!
These salamanders are effectively a living fossil record. Each 'sub-species' dominates a different area of a valley in california. Each species can breed with the species next to it. However, if we walk around the perimeter of the valley northwards, (say we start at the south side), the species get less and less similair. Until we reach the end of the line, and the species at the end of the line can no longer breed with the species at the beginning of the line.

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harry
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Posts: 59
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Message 4 of 50 (503106)
03-16-2009 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by NosyNed
03-15-2009 11:28 PM


Re: Time Rings
No it does not because i don't think evolution happens in space instead of time.
Surely being able to view how species A got to species B by looking at the species that they were in between points A and B is nothing to do with space just because they didnt die off.

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harry
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Message 7 of 50 (503148)
03-16-2009 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Wounded King
03-16-2009 10:49 AM


Re: Ring species examples
Thankyou very much Wounded King, I was un-aware of your first example. I will take a look in more detail later on tonight.

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harry
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Message 10 of 50 (503237)
03-16-2009 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
03-16-2009 3:50 PM


Re: Ring species examples
Those birds are very beautiful, as is their environment.
Does anyone know if they migrate though? I would have thought it would be harder for a bird to develop into a ring species as when they return from migration they could set up shop anywhere.
If they migrate that is.

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harry
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Message 12 of 50 (503274)
03-17-2009 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Granny Magda
03-17-2009 12:15 AM


Re: Ring species examples
Is the japanese subspecies picture that of a juvenile?

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harry
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Message 14 of 50 (503406)
03-18-2009 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Tanypteryx
03-18-2009 10:30 AM


Re: Dragonfly Ring Species
Thanks for that one!

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harry
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Message 20 of 50 (503746)
03-21-2009 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Sky-Writing
03-21-2009 6:23 PM


Re: Tools
quote:
As to the living, 90% of Geneticists will
tell you (one on one) that they also
believe in a Supernatural Intelligent Designer.
Are yes ofcourse, when you are one on one with them. They will only tell you won't they.
The more scientific qualifications one has, the more likely you are to be less religious

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harry
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Message 31 of 50 (503769)
03-21-2009 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Tanypteryx
03-21-2009 10:30 PM


Re: Tools
He's Hijacking my beautiful thread
I was trying to compile a reference list of all ring species

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