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Author Topic:   Proving Evolution in the Age of Genetics
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Message 29 of 50 (176781)
01-13-2005 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
01-13-2005 1:32 AM


What two species have DNA that have the closest relation to each other?
That's impossible to answer at this point;
It's impossible at any point: the smallest difference in DNA doesn't result in a change in species or even in variety.
This begs the question of what is a species?

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Message 30 of 50 (176785)
01-13-2005 10:30 PM
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01-13-2005 8:02 PM


Re: Dogs = Ring Species?
not a closed loop. the linear progression is there with some more compatable with others near them and less compatable with others further away.
certainly size fits into the equation, but you also have reproductive failures (sponaneous abortions and the like) where the mating just doesn't "take" (several examples already given).

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Message 36 of 50 (176799)
01-13-2005 10:59 PM
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01-13-2005 10:48 PM


Re: Dogs = Ring Species?
I thought that ring species form closed loops with each sub-species able to breed with it's neighbors but not with species across the ring. there are seagulls that fill this bill ... I believe there was a thread on ring species>...
Ring species as evidence for speciation
EvC Forum: Ring species as evidence for speciation

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Message 42 of 50 (177151)
01-14-2005 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by commike37
01-14-2005 9:06 PM


to be even more blunt: the kind of difference you see in the DNA between very similar varieties of, say dogs, is the same kind of difference that you see in the DNA between much more divergent species, such as between bacteria and human.
there is no genetic differentiation into classes or any other cladistic organization based on the kind of change in the DNA. all there is in the DNA is a pattern of divergence over time ... evolution, by definition.
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Message 46 of 50 (177305)
01-15-2005 4:44 PM
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01-15-2005 4:24 PM


Re: Old Style of Proving Evolution
increasingly it is evident that species is an arbitrary designation that was originally based on convenience form observed forms, that all such forms are in a continual state of change\transition and that each can be traced back to one ancestor through a series of changes small enough that the differentiation values of speciation do not apply. in this regard every living thing is a ring species in time.

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Message 50 of 50 (178316)
01-18-2005 8:26 PM
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01-18-2005 10:12 AM


Re: Old Style of Proving Evolution
I do not recall reading or hearing it -- you are free to use it as it seems pretty generic (spontaneously generatable) to me.
enjoy.

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