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Author Topic:   What i can't understand about evolution....
NosyNed
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Message 39 of 493 (490259)
12-03-2008 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by wardog25
12-03-2008 10:26 AM


Microevolution
Once again, the examples given are "microevolution" (I use that term for lack of a better one).
No, they are not. Microevolution is evolutionary changes that take place within an interbreeding population. That is, within a species.
These changes are incipient speciation so they are no longer microevolution.
It is not a limit you can point at and say "there's the final limit". It is not a limit that would be easy to define. But it is a limit nonetheless.
This limit that you can't point to and can't define sounds a bit like my invisible friend that I can't point to either. When you have a definition of it and can point to it then come back to the discussion. In the meantime you have nothing to bring to the discussion other than your own lack of knowledge about the subject and your incredulity.
Does that mean Cocker Spaniels could be bred for milllions of years and we could get a 60 foot taller one eventually? 99.9% of scientists would say no. Because there are limits.
If 99.9% of scientists would say no it is only because 60 foot tall is beyond the physical limits of what a mammalian tetrapod body plan would support. Drop the 60 foot to 20 feet and 99.9 % of scientists would then say "yes" we could get such a thing.
You are making things up and do not have any idea what you are actually talking about.
In fact, cocker spaniel sized things DID breed over millions of years into things that weighed 10+ tons.
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NosyNed
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Message 89 of 493 (492271)
12-29-2008 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by wardog25
12-29-2008 5:12 PM


What creos say
Not acknowledge. Affirm. Ever since people read the book of Genesis, Christians have been saying that variations in kinds came from one common ancestor that was on the ark. (
No they have not. Once upon a time close enough to all Christians said that all animals as they appear now were on the ark. That is all species were present and immutable.
Then more and more Christians realized this wasn't the case.
Finally by the middle 20th century a large majority of Christians had accepted an old earth and the full 3 billion years plus of natural history.
At that point the minority creationists had been still insisting on the immutability of species. But facts caught up with them. Species have been shown to arise and change; it was clear that the numbers involved made the ark impossible, etc.
Only then did they start to talk about "kind" being at a higher taxonomic level than species. Since then they've been keeping "kind" as rather loosy goosy. Generally at the family level but not at the family level if it means having humans and apes related. They lost to the facts and half a century later haven't been able to admit it. In any case they are a minority now and certainly do not represent Christians as a whole.
Edited by NosyNed, : typo

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