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Author Topic:   Is death a product of evolution
platypus
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Message 25 of 46 (365535)
11-23-2006 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by GVGS58
11-15-2006 8:11 AM


Re: Immortality exists
Th e fungi is a great example. Maybe the problem isn't with death, but with life. For modular organisms like fungi, it is hard to define an individual, and even harder to define the lifespan of an individual. When you cut a fungi into two parts, does the original fungal lifespan end and do two more individuals with new lifespans prop up? Or do whe consider the two fungi to be one organism living out the same lifespan?
To get back to the topic, perhaps it is useful to think about why unitary organisms die. Let me propose that being unitary gives structural advantages due to its determinate growth, but a natural consequency of this is death. Death isn't directly evolutionarily advantageous, but it is a consequence of the vertebrate body plan and determinate growth which in turn has selective advantages.
So that this isn't completely hot air, here is a review article that claims determinate growth is common in vertebrates, and can have selective advantages in some situations. [Just a moment...]
Unfortunately you need a subscription to access the article, it is rather old.

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platypus
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Message 31 of 46 (366982)
11-29-2006 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Hawks
11-29-2006 5:31 PM


Re: growing versus spreading
quote:
Anything has a lifespan. Unless there is some input of energy to maintain an equilibrium (e.g. maintain the integrity of DNA) things will tend towards disorder (according to the second law of theromdynamics). I guess you could say that death will result when there is not enough input of energy to maintain the integrity of the metabolic functions in an organism. This could happen when, for instance, not enough food is available or when energy is used to produce offspring instead (See my message #18 for link to an article that talks about the disposable some theory).
There in fact is a constant input of energy, namely sunlight. And some organisms (Homo sapiens, for instance) that live past reproductive age, yet still die. Therefore, neither of these principles can account for death, because the conditions for sustainability are in place. Yet people still die.
I do like the idea of gamete immmortality- does seem to make the distinction between asexuality and sexuality unimportant.

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