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mark24 Member (Idle past 5216 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Buz,
A google search on "dinosaur front legs" brought up 45,000 hits whereas "dinosaur front arms" brought 65,000 hits, so though I seem to be in the minority view, I have plenty of company. That's because most non-therapodan dinosaurs are quadropeds. ie. their forelimbs are functional legs. Think Sauropods. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
That's because most non-therapodan dinosaurs are quadropeds. ie. their forelimbs are functional legs. Think Sauropods. LOL. I fine tuned to "dinosaur shorter front legs" and up pops 166,000 hits. There's gotta be substantial company in there for my usage of the term "legs" in this regard.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5216 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Buz,
I got more hits with "dinosaur shorter front arms". Ner ner! The point is it's not evidence, it's semantics. The forelimbs of birds, or whatever you want to call them, share more similarities with therapod dinosaur forelimbs than crocs, or any other "reptile" clade you care to mention. This is why even Archaeopteryx has been classified in error as a coelosaur. Mark This message has been edited by mark24, 10-26-2004 07:47 PM There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Darwin Redux Inactive Member |
quote: You may be in company, but that company is lacking any real coherence or evidence...Your 'hypothesis' is not even that, given that it stems from no real observation of the world. It's just a religious idea, with no scientific grounding, or method of falsification.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Ner ner! The point is it's not evidence, it's semantics. The forelimbs of birds, or whatever you want to call them, share more similarities with therapod dinosaur forelimbs than crocs, or any other "reptile" clade you care to mention. This is why even Archaeopteryx has been classified in error as a coelosaur Read Ned's remarks. I was simply responding to them.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Just wondering if you were going to be able to tell me what you meant by "reptile nature."
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Crash, you bozo! Don't you know that "reptile nature" is synonymous with "reptile kind?"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Buz,
Good, we probably needed a clarification. Let me try to sum up the gist of your "hypothesis": God cursed what we now classify as dinosaurs, completely and suddenly changing their morphology, anatomy, and physiology into what we now classify as reptilian. That's quite right. I might add that those dinos have, been ever since dinos were discovered, also been traditionally termed reptilian by many paleontologists.
Given the way you've framed it, I would argue that this doesn't qualify as as a testable hypothesis, and is rather a belief based on faith. No matter what evidence we supply for differences between dinosaurs and reptiles, you can simply counter with "God did it as part of the curse". That's true, but an hypothesis according to my dictionary, though not testable by scientific methodology.
Buz, perhaps you could give us a hypothetical example of objective scientific evidence that would falsify your hypothesis. If you can't provide an example, then it is not a hypothesis. Definitely not a theory, but hypothetical on the basis of the probability of a supernatural dimension in the universe as considered to be the case by a large number of people including scientists of clout.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but precurse, weren't there only two humans around, and weren't they blind? Who saw the dinosaurs, exactly?
If you go back and read you will see that my hypothesis has the parent Edenic dinos surviving up until the flood. Thus Noah's family would have known what they looked like. In fact Noah, according to the Biblical record lived six centuries before the flood and I believe two or three more after the flood.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Just wondering if you were going to be able to tell me what you meant by "reptile nature." At least reptilian in general appearance of the torso and many heads as well as some other factors I've already addressed. It appears that for a long time many have regarded this to be the case.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
So, not really any kind of reptilian "nature", but just that they have some qualities that reptiles have too.
So, we could say that both crocodilians and birds have the "dinosaur nature", to some degree?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
YOUR HYPOTHESIS HAS NO EVIDENCE. You're just projecting Genesis onto natural history. You're right in that without Genesis I'd have nothing.
By the way, birds are warm blooded, reptiles are cold-blooded,......... My hypothesis says that some physiological factors could have been changed to be more suited to the changed animal.
In reality you're just playing word games. You've chosen to apply the inexact and superficial labels of "EXTINCT REPTILIAN" and "EXTANT REPTILIAN" in order to imply similarity and relatedness. This obfuscative approach ignores the evidence that tells us that dinosaurs and reptiles shared a common ancestor, and that birds descended from dinosaurs. Again, my hypothesis assumes the Genesis record to be accurate. Thus the above would not apply to it.
You need a hypothesis that doesn't require you to cast a blind eye at the evidence. I go with the Genesis record and some creo scientists also believe the Genesis record. They interpret the geological record in that light. That is not to say they would go with my hypothesis.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
So, we could say that both crocodilians and birds have the "dinosaur nature", to some degree? I believe dinos, in general, appear more like extant reptiles, and are regarded more like extant reptiles than birds by most folks. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 10-26-2004 11:33 PM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I believe dinos appear more like extant reptiles, and are regarded more like extant reptiles than birds by most folks. Not really what I asked, though.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Not really what I asked, though. Your question is put in such a way as to put words into my mouth. I'm giving you the answer to your first question as to what I meant by my use of the word "nature." You have my answer to that. You're consuming my sleep time with this nonsense and I'm done with this question.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Your question is put in such a way as to put words into my mouth. Really? The way I look at it, I'm just taking your clumsy, poorly-considered arguments to their logical and ridiculous conclusion. If you don't like where your own arguments take you, don't make them in the first place.
You're consuming my sleep time with this nonsense and I'm done with this question. Care for some cheese with that whine? Never mind, I'm done too.
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