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Author Topic:   My problem with evolution
nator
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Message 3 of 120 (22997)
11-17-2002 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
11-17-2002 12:59 PM


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Originally posted by robinrohan:
[B]Evolution is a fact. But I do not understand how matter can create mind.[/QUOTE]

It depends where you think the mind comes from.

I think the mind comes from the brain. Where do you think it comes from?

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Is the phenomenon of "mind"(in the sense of self-awareness) a sudden threshold after the accumulation of a certain number and kind of brain cells, or is the process a gradual awakening? And what precisely is the relationship between the physical actions of
the brain to a "thought"?

A common philosophy of mind is that "mind is to brain as software is to hardware."

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One is physical, the other mental--two very different things unless mentality or physicality is a sort of illusion.

Well, if the mental wasn't based in the physical, neurological illness, psychoactive drugs, and brain damage, for example, wouldn't have mental effects, right?

[QUOTE]Mind is a synonym for spirit. This is why there are religions in the world. The mind is the spirit-world.[/B]


I don't think that most people would agree with you. I think most people think that the spirit is something separate from the mind.


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nator
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Message 36 of 120 (23269)
11-19-2002 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by robinrohan
11-19-2002 8:16 AM


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The problem with materialism is that there does seem to be a mental world that is quite different from the physical and we are all aware of it. It is in this world that we have a sense of self-identity. A computer, being purely physical, presumably has no self-awareness.

Why do you seemingly equate biological life with a machine?

[QUOTE]As far as there being a difference between the physical and the mental, I can't conceive of an electrical impulse in the brain being the same thing as a thought, even though without the electrical impulse there would be no thought. Light bulbs have no thoughts.[/B][/QUOTE]

...and the brain is not much like a light bulb, and thoughts are more than electrical impulses.

I replied to this idea back in message 3 of this thread, and I will repeat:

Well, if the mental wasn't based in the physical, neurological illness, psychoactive drugs, and brain damage, for example, wouldn't have mental effects, right?


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