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Author Topic:   Is There Any Genetic Or Morphological Criterion For "Kind"?
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Message 28 of 40 (643649)
12-09-2011 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ggghg7
12-09-2011 9:03 PM


Re: Baraminology
Essentially it does seem like a regurgitation of the biological speces concept, but it's an elegant attempt by 'creation scientists.'

Welcome to the fray!

Baraminology has a primary fault in that it completely ignores the scientific method in favor of religious apologetics.

In other words, there is no way the answer can come out in opposition to creationists' interpretation of the bible. And creationists will do anything they need to do in order for that to occur.

This is pretty much the exact opposite of science.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 36 of 40 (643920)
12-13-2011 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by dan4reason
12-13-2011 12:16 AM


Kinds
I haven't heard the term 'kind' clearly defined.

Frair states that

For decades creationists have been using the word "kind," “type,” or “group” for their envisioned categories of genetically unrelated organisms, including all those formed by the Creator during the Creation Week.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-crs/baraminology.html

The definition is not a lot of use to science.


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Message 38 of 40 (643949)
12-13-2011 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by pandion
12-13-2011 1:11 AM


Re: Bin a long time
I'm an evolutionary biologist and the thought of evolution at such rates makes my head spin.

You think that's bad? Creationist John Woodmorappe writes:

The relevant evidence clearly shows that Homo sapiens sensu lato is a separate and distinct entity from the other hominids. No overall evolutionary progression is to be found. Adam and Eve, and not the australopiths/habilines, are our actual ancestors. As pointed out by other creationists [e.g., Lubenow], Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis can best be understood as racial variants of modern man–all descended from Adam and Eve, and most likely arising after the separation of people groups after Babel.

So creationists think the change from modern man, i.e., Adam and Eve, to these four species of fossil man took place since the Babel incident, which is usually placed after the global flood and in the range of 4,000 to 5,300 years ago. This change from modern man to Homo ergaster would require a rate of evolution on the order of several hundred times as rapid as scientists posit for the change from Homo ergaster to modern man! This is in spite of the fact that most creationists deny evolution occurs on this scale at all; now they have not only proposed such a change themselves, but see it several hundreds of times faster and in reverse!


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