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halcyonwaters
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Message 82 of 103 (15226)
08-11-2002 9:04 PM


This isn't where people are headed with the discussion, so forgive me if I ruin anyones day.
From what I understand about the 2LOT, is that the same principle can be applied to things we experience directly everyday.
Let's say I have a deck of cards, and I begin shuffling one card at a time. What happens? Occasionally, I may move cards towards the ultimate goal of orderliness (seperated by suits, ace to king, jokers at one end, and plug for Hoyle at the other) -- but *on average* I won't be going anywhere near that. It will tend towards disorder.
Is that not a conclusion of the 2LOT? If not, is there another law that this relates to?
David
[This message has been edited by halcyonwaters, 08-11-2002]

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halcyonwaters
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Message 84 of 103 (15305)
08-12-2002 3:26 PM
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08-12-2002 9:32 AM


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Allright, I think I'm following.
1. entropy is defined as useable energy
2. total entropy always increases in an open system
The cards have no useable energy, only I do. When I shuffle the cards, the energy I use to do so is no longer useable. The order of the cards is irrelevant -- as they still have no useable energy to lose.
Is this correct? If so, I can see why it wouldn't apply to the areas of Evolution as I thought it did. If it's not 2LOT, then what natural law is it that says that randomly shuffling cards will move towards disorder?
Just a matter of probability?
David

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