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Brad McFall
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Message 3 of 60 (8275)
04-07-2002 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by quicksink
04-07-2002 8:26 AM


Quick,
I can come at the bat from Rayn's frog. For HOw does the frog get check mated when the bat can hear the call type and so the female perfers this same sound? whether by echo-location, biaurilization etc or not@
William Provine claims to be a scholar of Sewall Wright yet at one point in Wright's reasoning he asserts that one need think of the a trial and error process for the whole organism, if one is going to apply the shifting balance theory, and I did indeed think of one fro the frog which being preyed on by "your" bat would in co-evolution speak to some of the same variables in any model of the process whether in the trail or error of mankind trying to understand the past that can not be repeated.
Since sound can travel either longitudianlly OR transversely, I reasonsed that the interaction of any sound with the environement can move both longitudinally or trasversely depending on the barrier being percentage wise composed of solids liguids and gases and that so symbolized the bat may have found the "solution" of this engineerable problem frogs in general "solved".
That is the qualititave version without the quality of the bat involved which would be required to complete as well.

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Brad McFall
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Message 15 of 60 (8412)
04-10-2002 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by nator
04-08-2002 9:34 AM


I have actually moved on from the whole mutation vs selection thing so my memory will not do the work needed to address the issues from any position in effect to what small amount mutations are needed to progress any discussion of Wright's contribution to evoltuion theory.
The posibility that some more work on mutations themselves may indeed change the way natural selection is percieved is not ruled out however even in my mind and the space that acridnes chemically took up between any two "point" mutations still do not handle whatever it is Gould is doing with snails on the basis of French work trying to arise some more Goldschmidt. There is scholarship in this area but there is so much authority I tend to avoid it.
Still it is available in Wright's form that Fisher and Ford etc are wont to contradict the very approach to thinking the topic which Wright triple divides in his HISTORICAL reading of change vs creation but again I am tired of hitting the Provine pony when it is still sensory physiology that is rather confusing the ion and electron regardless the actual achoring of mutations to specific kinematic processes in the cell is an exciting idea and should be pursued even if it is hard to think about dynamically.
Again, incomprehensible but not to me. God Bless.

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Brad McFall
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Message 27 of 60 (8803)
04-22-2002 2:06 PM
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04-10-2002 11:50 AM


Sharf,
I take it you do not, like the guy in IDAHOE who works for USDA really think that bees polinate "at random". That is what he said on TV when discriminating what most selective sounds like. What he meant was that he used calucation of mendelisms while bees use physiological calculations. It is rather a matter of probability than possibility as this evolutionist spoke yesterday.

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