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Message 15 of 108 (441324)
12-17-2007 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Beretta
12-17-2007 1:34 AM

Re: Icon Problems
Well quite simply if gradualistic evolution is true, what about the cambrian explosion which defies explanation in gradualistic terms.

Uh, it really doesn't. The so-called "explosion" refers to the emergence of no more than about 8000 different species over a period of around 50 million years.

Not much of an explosion, really. It doesn't really "defy explanation"; random mutation and natural selection account for the origin of those species just as well as they account for the species we see evolving today. The fact that most of these 8000 species appear in the fossil record with relatively few known precursors is easily explained by the fact that those 8000 species were largely hard-shelled organisms whose ancestors had no hard body parts to speak of, and therefore nothing to fossilize.

Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

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Message 30 of 108 (441385)
12-17-2007 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Beretta
12-17-2007 7:18 AM

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Well it is actually an explosion if all living things are supposed to be the modified descendants of one or a few original forms.

8000 known species over 30-80 million years? That's a pretty sedate explosion, don't you think?

To put gradual and sudden in context -the following analogy given by Jonathan Wells in response to criticism of his "Icons of Evolution' book - explains it well -

The problem is that Wells - who is not a biologist - explains it wrong. You've been lied to about the Cambrian explosion, Beretta, by Wells himself and by others.

In defence of evolution, other critics of Wells have admitted that it was a sudden explosion but have argued that that is exactly what we'd expect for various other 'plausible' reasons that are actually not plausible at all.

Who says they're not plausible? You?

That was the standing explanation until soft bodied fossils were found and so it no longer makes sense as an excuse for all those missing organisms.

Soft-bodied fossils are quite rare. That we're lucky enough to have a few examples doesn't change that. Your argument is like saying that, because one guy won the lottery once, we all must have a million dollars in our wallets. It doesn't make any sense.

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Message 35 of 108 (441408)
12-17-2007 1:55 PM
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12-17-2007 12:59 PM

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I thought he was the lawyer. Who am I thinking of that's the lawyer? Is that Phillip Johnson?

I can't keep my creationists straight sometimes. They should make Creationist Cards with their faces and backgrounds and, I don't know, turn-ons and turn-offs or something.

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