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Author Topic:   Macro and Micro Evolution
nator
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Message 35 of 301 (67035)
11-17-2003 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by NosyNed
11-16-2003 10:34 PM


There are also marine Iguanas:
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...and flightless birds and flightless winged-insects.

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nator
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Message 98 of 301 (68727)
11-23-2003 8:30 AM


reply to Quiz
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Evolution: a word that means "change" and that is why evolution is a fact, because change happends everyday.
Right, except that specifically, Biological Evolution is defined as "a change in the alelle frequency of a population over time."
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Now the TOE on the other hand is not factual it is theoretical and according to you, even though their are many theories, all of these theories regarding evolution and how it occured are firmly represented with little to no gaps.
Incorrect.
There is only one Theory of Evolution, currently referred to as the Modern Synthesis ever since the inclusion of Genetics.
There are always gaps in our knowledge with every single scientific theory.
However, the Theory of Evolution (descent with modification) has been tested and for a century and it has survived. However, scientists are still debating the exact mechanisms by which evolution happens. That is why we now know about gene flow, genetic drift, PunkEek, etc.
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The TOE is represented better when explaining a theory which has many mechinisms. There are so far 2 theories which have many mechinisms that I know of: Macroevoltion and Microevolution.
Um, no. There is only one ToE.
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Macroevolution has Biogenisis,
Quiz, in the other thread you agreed earlier in this very message that the ToE deals with life once it got here. So why do you then in the very next breath try to say that the ToE covers Biogenesis when you just agreed that it only covers life once it got here???
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Acquired Characteristics,
Forbidden
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The obsolete theory that offspring can inherit physical or behavioral characteristics from a parent that the parent acquired during its life. For example, a giraffe which stretches its neck to reach leaves at the top of a tall tree and thus ends up with a slightly longer neck can pass on the long neck trait so that its offspring also have long necks and can stretch it even longer. The theory, now known to be incorrect, was popularized by Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) and played an important role in the history of the study of evolutionary biology.
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Mutation and Recombinations, as the mechinisms, and might I say that all mechinisms of macroevolution are still in a theoretical state and none of them are factual.
So, are you saying that mutation and recombination are not facual, since they are mechanisms of evolution?
Sorry, mutation and recombination are, in fact, the observed facts that Evolutionary Theory explains.
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Remember that I understand theory is not just a guess.
Except that you are still terribly confused.
See this site which deals with how science works:
science - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
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Now their is also Microevolution which has, Natural Selection, Large Scale Phenotypic Changes, Sexual Selection, Genetic Drift, and a few others mechinisms that I didn't mention or may not know of.
No, these are all just parts of Evolutionary Theory.
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The entire set of mechinisms for micro-evolution have moved from theory to factual were as all the mechinisms of macroevoltion have not become factual, which means their is gaps.
You are very confused.
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What I am saying is, regardless of the proof, or what way you change words around, you still have those gaps and those gaps represent the reason why the theory is a theory.
When did anyone ever say that it wasn't a theory?
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Alot macroevolutionists claim certain reasons why this or that occured, which make the understanding easier to understand to the point were people will accept it blindly, this blind act is what I like to call faith, this blind act is = to that "faith" in God.
Is the belief that germs cause disease and the belief that the Sun is the center of the solar system the same kind of faith as faith in God?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 288 of 301 (70044)
11-30-2003 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Sonic
11-27-2003 4:59 PM


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Macro-evolution(i.e. organic evolution): Organic evolution, as theorized, is a naturally occurring, beneficial change that produces increasing and inheritable complexity. Increased complexity would be shown if the offspring of one form of life had a different and improved set of vital organs. This is sometimes called the molecules-to-man theory?or macroevolution. (vertical change)
Why does it have to be increasing complexity?
The ancestors of modern horses had multiple toes, but they are only vestigial now.

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