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Message 76 of 302 (318629)
06-07-2006 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Rob
06-07-2006 2:33 AM


DNA is a language for life, as an operating system is a language for a computer.
An operating system is not any kind of language at all.

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Message 87 of 302 (318682)
06-07-2006 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Percy
06-07-2006 9:25 AM


But if you're thinking of line oriented operating systems such as Linux or the Windows command interface (called cmd on Windows/XP) then I think the analogy is apt.
However, the operating system commands are not actually operating system commands. They are shell commands. The shell (the user interface program) interprets the commands.
If Rob had said that the shell command language is a language, I would not have objected.
Yes, I know, nobody knows what an operating system is any more.
Now back to your regularly scheduled topic

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Message 176 of 302 (319496)
06-09-2006 10:27 AM
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06-09-2006 9:27 AM


Re: on pairs and tells
My definition of information comes from Phillip Johnson, professor of law at the University of California at Berkeley.
Okay. So you go to a lawyer when you want a scientific definition. May I presume that you consult your dentist when you are looking for legal advice?

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Message 281 of 302 (320978)
06-12-2006 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Crue Knight
06-12-2006 10:40 PM


Re: Question!
Why do we have moral judgment?
We learned it from our parents and our peers.
Why do we wear clothing (besides being cold).
There are many cultures where no clothing is worn.
Where did human embarassment from nakedness come from?
From religion.

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Message 284 of 302 (320986)
06-12-2006 11:19 PM
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06-12-2006 11:04 PM


Re: Question!
it seems to me that this indicates it predates this particular religion.
You are likely correct. I should have said that it comes from cultural traditions.

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Message 286 of 302 (320998)
06-13-2006 12:30 AM
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06-12-2006 11:59 PM


Re: Question!
Why do we have moral judgment?
We learned it from our parents and our peers.
But where did it come from...if not the way the Bible says?
We evolved as a social species. That is, we are a species that depends on cooperation with other members of our group (or culture or tribe). Our moral judgement amounts to the practices that our culture follows to facilitate cooperation. Presumably these practices were developed through experience.
If you read some of the literature from anthropological studies, you will find that moral practices vary from culture to culture.
On embarrassment, arachnophilia corrected me. The origin is hard to track down. Religions have spread the idea of embarrassment. There are other cultures where people do not feel embarrassed to be naked. The "National Geographic" magazine sometimes prints studies of these cultures, including photos of people in their nakedness. That's what crashfrog was referring to in Message 280.
So does that mean there is another coincidence (besides the big bang coincidence of the earth life survived and we evolved) that religion (from the Bible) supports many correct scientific evidence such as:
The earth is round; The earth revolves around the sun; And many more??? Is it coincidently the works of man that his view of this earth was "mostly" if not all correct, then he tries to decieve others in his book bieng God's word?
I'm not sure what coincidence you are seeing there. Religions developed within a culture. Many of the religious traditions came from the cultures in the regions where those religions developed. That the earth was round was well known in the middle east cultures.
You should also be aware that many Christian theologians take parts of the old testament that meant something else, and reinterpret them to fit modern knowledge. That's not coincidence, it is quote mining.

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Message 300 of 302 (322840)
06-18-2006 8:24 AM
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06-18-2006 1:10 AM


Re: Sorry it took so long
Sorry to say, but you have been paying attenting to intellectual scam artists. These intellectual scammers have befuddled you with their sophisticated-sounding arguments.
In order to say that information has been lost, you would need a way of quantifing the amount of information. But look at what Spetner does when asked about the amount of information. He weaves and dodges, so as to pretend that he is answering, but he completely evades the question.
You mention a DVD as your source. Your link doesn't seem to take me to the DVD, but it does lead to the AnswersInGenesis site. You mention Michael Denton. I seriously doubt that Denton is actually supporting these sleight-of-hand arguments about information. But I'm not about to watch a long video to find out. If you can find a transcript of what Denton said, that would be appreciated.

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Message 301 of 302 (322841)
06-18-2006 8:28 AM
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06-18-2006 2:06 AM


Re: Question!
Read "Time Has an End" by, H. Camping for great evdence that the Bible is true and the word of God. You can read it online at Time Has An End
Thanks for that Crue.
Sad to say, but that referenced web page contains an awful lot of nonsense.

And it is all off topic here! Do not respond, please.

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