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Message 430 of 458 (544288)
01-25-2010 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 426 by LucyTheApe
01-25-2010 8:30 AM

Re: What is information?
Hi LucyTheApe,

LTA writes:

The length of a bit of timber is not information unless an intelligence decides to make is so

So information is in the eye of the beholder?
Does 43251029385 (a random string of numbers I just entered) contain information?
If I decide to use this number as combination code for a safe, does it now contain information?

So any data is information, if and only if an intelligent agent decides to make it so? If so, there is no objective standard by which we can measure genetic information, and the topic of this thread becomes moot. Or am I misunderstanding you here?

LTA writes:

So the hypothesis should also explain the bizarre appearance of this egg-laying, venomous, duck-billed, beaver-tailed, otter-footed cute little mammal

Indeed. The platypus fits neatly into the mammalian clade, which itself fits neatly within the tetrapod clade. But this is off topic.

LTA writes:

Let's just wait and see what your sick voodoo scientists working in secret in their basement come up with, shall we. I'm not saying that I know that the cell is in control, it just seems the most logical explanation to me.

This is what Discover Magazine has to say on the subject:

Discover Magazine, January/February 2010, p. 42 writes:

In one of [The Institute For Genomic Research]'s most important experiments, we took the DNA from one bacterial cell and treated it with harsh enzymes to destroy any traces of proteins. We found that if we transplanted that naked DNA into another bacterial species, along with associated restriction enymes [molecular scissors that cut DNA in specific places], the cell's original DNA would be destroyed. The transplanted DNA would take over instead. So now we had the cell of one species containing the DNA of another species. In a short time, all the original proteins disappeared, and we ended up with a cell that had totally transformed from one species to another. (Pamela Weintraub, 2010)

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