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mark24
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Message 262 of 458 (522019)
08-31-2009 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by traderdrew
08-31-2009 11:28 AM


Re: and yet you go there
trader.

It has been defined as CSI. Successfully refuted?

Yes, it's simply a rehash of "it's-so-complicated-it-couldn't-have-evolved" argument hidden behind a few sciency sounding words in am attempt to give the old argument from incredulity some credulity.

Sorry, but it's still an argument from incredulity. It just tries to make incredulity "evidence" when it is no such thing.

Mark

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Message 267 of 458 (522080)
09-01-2009 3:42 AM
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08-31-2009 3:20 PM


Re: and yet you go there (yes I do)
traderdrew,

Is this information not specified?

It doesn't matter one iota whether you, Dembski or anyone else slaps a label on the phenomenon, it still boils down to an argument from incredulity.

Basically the CSI argument is "it's complex & has function & there's information involved (well, possibly, but since you conveniently won't define it we can't even be sure of that), therefore can't have evolved". Once you have demonstrated that no CSI structure can possibly evolve, then CSI means something. But since no-one has demonstrated any such thing it's a gimmick to fool gullible creationists/Ider's that they have science on their side rather than the same old argument dressed up in the Emperor's new clothes.

I can't believe how Darwinists could think that I am not objective

A baseless argument from incredulity isn't objectively derived evidence, that's how. You're kidding yourself.

Mark


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Message 277 of 458 (522473)
09-03-2009 3:43 PM
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09-03-2009 12:49 PM


Re: and yet you go there (yes I do)
traderdrew,

You think you have got me on that one? You don't. A good argument against ID should be a good argument for Darwinism.

Utter nonsense. Why does a refutation of ID have to mention Darwinism at all? All you have to do is point out is that it is evidentially vacuous & leave it as that.

Mark

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Message 294 of 458 (522783)
09-04-2009 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by LucyTheApe
09-04-2009 6:57 PM


Re: What is (new) information? (Its what creationists can't handle)
LTA,

Coyote, it's a scientific endevour.

In which case you have already accepted that it occurs, right? Because we know new function evolves, right? And if new function doesn't require new information, then evolution doesn't require new information & you just did yourself out of an argument, right?

Mark


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Message 303 of 458 (522831)
09-05-2009 11:56 AM
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09-05-2009 11:45 AM


LTA,

Chemical reactions are also entropic

They can be "anti-entropic", too. How do you think large molecules form from smaller ones? How do you think they can broken down again? One of those reactions increases entropy, the other reverses it. The laws of nature allow for local increases & decreases in entropy so no law has been broken.

Not that new information has any bearing on increases & decreases of energy available for work, anyway, of course.

Mark


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Message 319 of 458 (523197)
09-08-2009 7:14 PM
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09-08-2009 6:49 PM


Re: and yet you go there (yes I do)
traderdrew,

I said it before, you see no CSI and you hear no CSI. I have ased this question before, if it is not CSI, then what is it then?

And I've said it before, too, even if you could identify CSI, it's still an argument from incredulity. In other words, CSI isn't evidence.

Mark


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