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Author Topic:   How do you define the word Evolution?
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Message 393 of 936 (805957)
04-21-2017 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by dwise1
04-21-2017 6:52 PM


Not equivalent
In the case of two objects being dropped towards the earth's surface, the mass of the earth is significantly greater than the mass of either object, so they're effectively the same mass, 1, and the gravitational force working on both objects would be the same.
This is incorrect. If small m is 1 kg in one case and 2 kgs in the other. The gravitational force on the later is twice the former. Not matter that the mass M is many orders of magnitude greater.
The reason that the two objects (in a vacuum etc) accelerate at the same rate is that for mysterious reasons (as far as I know) maybe god ordained the inertial mass of an object is the same as the gravitational mass. So if object m2 is twice the mass of object m1 then the inertial mass cancels out the gravitational force and produces the same acceleration.

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Message 519 of 936 (806849)
04-28-2017 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by Taq
04-28-2017 11:21 AM


Multiple Origins
Some years ago I read an article by a researcher pointing out that we may find that all life is clearly related because that is what we look for.
We may not notice something truly different. Another bush of life just might be so different we don't see it as alive or just haven't noticed. It may have been crowded out into strange unlikely (to us ) niches.
It doesn't seem all the likely to me either but it is an interesting thought.

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Message 559 of 936 (807261)
05-01-2017 8:50 PM
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05-01-2017 5:37 PM


Theory and Facts
You don't seem to understand the relationship between historical contingencies and theory. Let's use gravity as an example. The theory of gravity explains the orbit of Mercury. However, the theory of gravity does not require the existence of Mercury in order to be correct. In the same way, the theory of evolution does not require a universal common ancestor. If there were multiple origins of life, and life evolved from those multiple ancestors, then that would be the theory. However, the theory does explain how the evidence points to a universal common ancestor with the evidence we do have.
I'd change your wording a little:
If there were multiple origins of life and life evolved from those multiple ancestors then the theory of evolution would remain absolutely unchanged. The contingent fact would be that life managed to arise multiple times separately and each line evolved from there. Just as we could have a solar system with no mercury or 3 close in planets like mercury. The theory of gravity (general relativity or newton's) would be absolutely the same.

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Message 695 of 936 (810205)
05-25-2017 10:53 AM
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05-25-2017 10:46 AM


LUCA
What we are saying is that the theory does not require a universal common ancestor. However, since the evidence does point to a universal common ancestor then it is part of the theory.
Well, actually I don't agree. The theory is the description (model) of how populations evolve. It demands nothing about what has or will happen. The facts at hand say that there was a LUCA but the theory makes no comment on that. It just suggests how changes will occur from a LUCA or from multiple ancestors separately arising.
The fact is the evolution of life on earth (not the model of how it happened) seems to have a very early LUCA.

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Message 698 of 936 (810213)
05-25-2017 11:57 AM
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05-25-2017 11:45 AM


Theory (not life's history)
To put it another way, if there were multiple origins of life then the theory would change to reflect that reality while still proposing the same mechanisms of change.
Nope. I still disagree.
How would the theory change?
Remember Darwin noted life progressing from one or more sources. It makes no difference to the model of how life evolves.

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Message 814 of 936 (813571)
06-28-2017 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 812 by ringo
06-28-2017 3:38 PM


But it isn"t
.lighter than air that is.
The surface to volume is such that a breeze that we would barely notice is a enough to blow them away. But the spider and silk is denser than air.

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