How does evolution explain the gaps?

I do not think you have explained anything at all, actually. Perhaps I am just having trouble understanding, so please repeat your explanation, if you would be so kind.To repeat, I want to know how to tell the difference between a natural system that we don't understand yet, or do not have the ability to understand, and on that has been Intelligently Designed.Why not pick a system that you believe is Intelligently Designed, and then explain, in dettail, exactly how you know that we will never be able to find a naturalistic explanation for it at any time in the future, and also explain exactly how you know that we are not just unable, through lack of technology or intelligence, able to understand it?I mean, in order for you to even CLAIM that anything has been Intelligently Designed in the first place, you must, by definition, have some way or method of telling these two groups apart, right?So, it should be easy for you.

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I understand that you miss the point of using proper analogies to make an understandable point of view come forth.

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No, I don't miss anything in this case. You justcan't admit you are wrong. How very scientific of you.

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Nothing falls flatter than the TOE when it faces true scientific study.

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More hot air.

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The only reason the TOE even continues to be presented as a viable explanation of life is because it can't answer even the most basic questions concerning the existance of life.

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Look, how many freaking times do you have to be told that the SCOPE OF THE TOE DOES NOT COVER THE ORIGINS OF LIFE AND NEVER, EVER HAS SINCE IT'S INCEPTION?

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All it really attempts to do is give a modern day version of some very ancient religious beliefs.

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Don't start with this nonsense again, please.

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Even then, it has to pick up the story in the middle, having no concept, or at least no scientific explanation of lifes' actual beginning.

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You are stubborn, aren't you? Please show me any definition from any Biology textbook, or even from Origin, that includes ANYTHING about the origin of life being included in the ToE.If you can't then please, stop re-erecting this long-torn down strawman that the ToE is at fault because it doesn't explain something it NEVER CLAIMED TO EXPLAIN.Do you fault Chemistry for not explaining where the elements come from? Answer the question. Yes or no will suffice.

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So forget about starting with abiogenesis.

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So, do you accept that to fault the ToE for not explaining life's origins is inappropriate? Yes or no will suffice.

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Take a trip back in time to the moment that life first existed according to the TOE, then please explain the scientific methods used within this scientific TOE that will keep the TOE solvent as you pass through time, ending at the present day.

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They are the same scientific methods used in most other observational sciences. Here's a brief primer:science - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

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Please give the most verifiable, testable, and scientifically falsifiable examples of how the TOE manages to stay coherent, let alone scientific, as we move from single celled life, (unless the TOE is incapable of going that far back), and how the ability to increase the neccessary informational data occurred, along with the scientific methods neccessary for showing the viability of this being a continuing process, then continue moving through the millions upon millions of years, again remembering to remain in the realm of science, until you arrive at the present day.

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Do this and you may make a believer out of me yet.

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That is a very tall order. You are basically asking me to provide you with the equivilant of the information someone would get in earning an undergraduate Biology degree.I have a better idea. Why don't you go read, study, and understand every last bit of information on the TalkOrigins website? That will go a long way towards providing you with the information you have asked for.TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy

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Actually, I didn't expect that you would, or even could, supply me with even a single example of a life form evolving from its' beginning, ending at its' present form today.

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How about bacteria, or some other single-celled animal? They have been around in one form or another for almost as long as life has existed.OTOH, Nobody, anywhaere has claimed that Biology has all knowledge. We do have a great deal of information upon which to base our current understanding, and the ToE has fared at least as well over the years than most scientific theories of similar scope.Are you doubting Biology because we don't have perfect knowledge we never claimed to have in the first place? Why?

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That was one of the points I was attempting to make. Using your scientific literature, you are still left impotent when trying to explain how the TOE is even a viable theory, let alone a scientific one.

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Bull.The ToE is based upon testable hypothese, has positive evidence to confirm it, and is falsifiable, so it is quite scientific.Please explain how hundereds of thousands of professional scientists would continue to persue an unscientific theory. Also explain how modern medicine makes any advances at all considering that, according to you Biology is based on an unscientific theory.

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I, on the other hand, using my religious literature, am fully able to explain an even more indepth timeline, beginning before the emergence of corporial life, and ending at the present day. Now I realize that you would reject this out of hand, due to your revulsion to the idea that "God did it!"

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I have no revulsion at the idea. I simply reject it as a scientific idea. As it is a religious one, it is in the same category as any other religious idea; IOW, they all have the same amount of evidence...zero.

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You are much more comfortable with the idea that "evolution did it", even though you are not able to understand or explain all of the where's and why's concerning your insistance in this ancient, yet udated, pagan fable.

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Are you comfortable with the idea that "Physicsa did it", even though you are not able to understand or explain all of the where's and why's of gravity?Yes or no will suffice.

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I have at least done my homework when it comes to the thought of evolution as the main reason life exists as it does today.

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Um, right.

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As I have stated numerous times, the idea of evolution is as old as the hills and any indepth study of ancient pagan beliefs will confirm this fact.

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Link to any legitimate site which provides any evidence for this in the least, please, or stop making the claim.

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Granted, the modern day TOE has added new twists and turns in order to make this ancient fable more palatable to what the scriptures refer to as the "darkened minds" of those who are labeled as foolish because "the fool has said in their heart, there is no God."

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Hot air.

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So let's just leave it at that. You continue with your "evolution did it" beliefs and I will continue with my "God did it" belief, sure in the knowledge that I am following the right path, and you are on the path to failure, disappointment, and, like every other living thing that has, does, or will exist, eventual death.

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Guess what? You are going to die eventually, too, and nobody actually knows what happens after. You hope your belief is the right one, but you can only believe. You don't actually KNOW.

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The only difference between us concerns what comes afterwards. For you, apparently nothing, according to your beliefs.

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Actually, I don't know what happens after death. Neither does anyone else. Anybody who says otherwise is just afraid of death.

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For me, according to my belief and faith in God, some of us will be raised unto everlasting glory with God, Our Father. And some of us will be raised unto everlasting shame and contempt.

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Personally, I don't care for what your future holds for you, regardless of which belief, evolution or creation, is championed. I will admit, however, thatI wish somehow your eyes could be opened, and that you would return to that which you have abandoned. And I do not mean that you should return to catholicism, but rather that you would return to Christ. Here's to hoping for the seemingly impossible, knowing that "with God, all things are possible."

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If being a Christian like you, Jet, means that I would have to take my brains out and reject what I can see with my own two eyes and think with my mind, then no thanks.You constantly ignore my direct questions and instead abuse and preach.BTW, you still haven't told me how we can tell the difference between a system which is Intelligently Designed and a natural one which we haven't figured out yet or may not ever figure out?

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And if so, why would you knowingly use a paragraph that was so blatantly out of context to give a misleading impression of what Greenstein had to say?

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...um, let me guess.He didn't know because it was lifted from a Creationist site which misquotes to change meaning as a matter of course.

Jet,So, that Creation 'science' Institue that you are doing research for...don't they have computers and internet access?Anyway, I notice that, true to form, you avoid my direct questions, even one which would only have required a yes or no answer. For your convenience, I'll repeat them here:Are you doubting Biology because we don't have perfect knowledge we never claimed to have in the first place? Why?

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Jet: I, on the other hand, using my religious literature, am fully able to explain an even more indepth timeline, beginning before the emergence of corporial life, and ending at the present day. Now I realize that you would reject this out of hand, due to your revulsion to the idea that "God did it!"

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I have no revulsion at the idea. I simply reject it as a scientific idea. As it is a religious one, it is in the same category as any other religious idea; IOW, they all have the same amount of evidence...zero.Are you comfortable with the idea that "Physics did it", even though you are not able to understand or explain all of the where's and why's of gravity?Yes or no will suffice.

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Jet: As I have stated numerous times, the idea of evolution is as old as the hills and any indepth study of ancient pagan beliefs will confirm this fact.

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Link to any legitimate site which provides any evidence for this in the least, please, or stop making the claim.BTW, you still haven't told me how we can tell the difference between a system which is Intelligently Designed and a natural one which we haven't figured out yet or may not ever figure out?From your current post:

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Money talks, plain and simple. Evolutionists tend to disregard facts in favor of obvious fantasy when their grant money, and even their jobs are on the line.

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Really? So, again I ask you, how is it that Medical Science is able to progress in the least if the ToE is a useless theory, as the foundations of Biology and Genetics are in large part based upon the ToE?

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The TOE is a fallacy, is most surely not scientific, at least not in total, and every day more scientists are becoming aware that the TOE is a dead end road.

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According to the most current information I could find, the percentage of scientists with legitimate credentials who give credence to Creation 'science' is 0.14%.Beliefs of the U.S. public about evolution and creationPerhaps you would like to back up your claim that "more and more" scientists are turning away from the ToE in favor of religious explanations?

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As to the rest of your post, it is obvious to me that you are blinded to any Truths revealed that do not fully support your position, regardless of the mountains of evidence that refute the TOE in part, and in whole.

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Show me the mountains of evidence, Jet. Show me. Right now. I'm waiting anxiously. I'm waiting.Before you do that, however, some answers to the questions you decided to avoid answering the first time, please.------------------
"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."

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Shraf(sic), you are, IMHO, the epitome of the "BLINDED DUE TO WILLFUL IGNORANCE" crowd.

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Gee, and here I thought you were going to educate me with these mountains of evidence. How can I be willfully ignorant if I have not been presented with any evidence to ignore?LOL!

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As usual, you open with a poorly veiled attempt at insult before moving on to your questions.

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You thought I was trying to veil anything? Hmm, my bad.Seriously, though, you are the one who said you were doing this secret important research. You, not me, you. It seems pretty lame to get pissy with me just because you don't like being reminded of something you chose to put out there all by yourself. You did it, so now you're paying for it.

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POINT BY POINT ANSWERS FOR SHRAF(sic)...

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ANSWER #1. No.

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So, you don't blame Biology for not having perfect knowledge?So, what did you mean when you said this in message #14:

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Jet:Actually, I didn't expect that you would, or even could, supply me with even a single example of a life form evolving from its' beginning, ending at its' present form today.

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It seems to me that you were criticizing Biology for not having a perfect progression of fossil evidence for a single species. Why do you believe that not having this kind of perfect evidence harms the ToE?

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ANSWER #2. No.

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So, you are NOT comfortable with the idea that "Physicsdidit" even though you are not able to understand or explain all of the where's and why's of gravity?So, you doubt that gravity exists because we do not fully understand it? Interesting.

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ANSWER #3. Simply by using the God given abilities of logic and reason.

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Actually, you skipped number three, which was a request for a link to a legitimate site which backed up your assertion that the ToE is based in pagan religious practice.If the question you were answering was, "How can can tell the difference between a system which is Intelligently Designed and a natural one which we haven't figured out yet or may not ever figure out?", then you must not realize that I want to understand much more deeply. Your throwaway, contentless reply is unconvincing, to say the least.Can you give me a specific example of any biological system, explaining how it has been intelligently designed, and how you know for sure that it could not have arisen naturally? You must also address the issue of our possibly not having the intelligence to understand some things, as our intelligence is not boundless.

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ANSWER #4. Puhleeeez! Are you suggesting that the foundations of Biology and Genetics were baseless and/or non-existant before the TOE?

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No, but the ToE is currently a very large foundational aspect of both fields. Now please answer my question; given the importance of Evolutionary Theory in the fields of Genetics and Biology, how is it that Medical Science has progressed as it has if the ToE is completely wrong?

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True to form, you credit me with a statement that I don't recall making. My statement read as follows..."every day more scientists are becoming aware that the TOE is a dead end road." However, for some unknown reason, that same statement appeared on your computer screen in the following, altered manner.......

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: Perhaps you would like to back up your claim that "more and more" scientists are turning away from the ToE in favor of religious explanations?

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Maybe it's me, or maybe it's you or your computer but I looked and looked and yet I could not find where I supposedly made the above statement. Please be kind enough to point out to me in which post I made the above statement. Thank You.

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You are right, I extrapolated the, "in favor of religious explanations" from your statement, an understandable mistake, considering your Creationist position.However, I will alter my request to the following: "Perhaps you would like to back up your claim that "more and more" scientists are turning away from the ToE?" That will suffice.

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As to your ending statements, please refer to message #40 again. Perhaps you simply skimmed the post, or perhaps your speed reading skills need some polishing. Which ever is the case, please read message #40 again for total clarification.

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I didn't find any "mountains of evidence" of any flavor in post #40. Perhaps you could cut n paste the "mountain of evidence" from that post which I am obviously missing?------------------
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