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Author Topic:   Critique of Ann Coulter's The Church of Liberalism: Godless
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Message 1 of 298 (325563)
06-24-2006 1:58 AM


I went to a book store earlier today and couldn't help but notice the number 1 seller Ann Coulter's book The Church of Liberalism: Godless. I sat down and began reading the book until I was asked to leave because the store was about to close. Against my better judgement, I bought the book.

After having read the first chapter, I have decided to pick at and disect Ann's outrageous claims. I think she is as ignorant as a six year old child attempting to grasp fields that take people lifetimes to study. I also think she has an ego as big as an elephant's erect penis. While it is within her right to blow as much hot air out of her butt as she just did with this book, I'm beginning to think that perhaps we should legislate free speech, especially when concerning academic fields where just about every regular Joe out there thinks he can speak authoritively on a subject after memorizing two words out of a text book on that subject.

Critique on "On the Seventh Day, God Rested and Liberals Schemed".

Right away, I noticed that Coulter decides to use Romans 1:25-26 as an introduction and description for this chapter. I will comment on this when the appropriate subject comes up.

Ann starts out exclaiming that liberals love to boast about their nonreligious commitment and declaring liberalism to be a religion. While I would personally like this to be the case, reality is far from this sensational nonsense. The liberal community is made up of people of all faiths and beliefs, all shapes and sizes, all ages and eras, and all ethnicity and nationalities. Instead, Ann assumes that liberals are comprised entirely of atheists and heathens.

But directly to the point, many liberals are christians who value the christian ideals and teachings. The primarily identify themselves as liberals because they look to the future rather than the past, they want to address the dangers of manmade impacts on the biosphere, they value universal human rights over traditional bigotry, they respect ALL religions and philosophies rather than just christianity, they would like their children and their children's children to be able to take a deep breath without having overreations to pollen dominated air or smog dominated atmospher, ..... you get the idea.

Coulter's rants include some rather outright strawmen and ad hominems. She claims that liberals believe through faith the following: "Darwinism is a fact, people are born gay, child molesters can be rehabilitated, recycling is a virtue, and chastity is not." (page 2, paragraph 1) Ann goes on to ask the question "If people are born gay, why hasn't Darwinism weeded out people who don't reproduce?" This question, or rather more of an assertion, assumes that when a person is born something, genetics has to be the reason. While it is true that genetics can be the contributing factor, others may include environmental impact on the mother, hormonal changes during pregnancy, etc. She also assumes that all liberals believe people are born gay. Again, this is simply not true. Noone knows for sure if people are born gay or not. What we do know is that almost all gay people believe they never had a choice.

The third thing that's severely wrong with Coulter's assumption is that if it is indeed genetics then natural selection would move against such a trait. As a matter of fact, there is a hypothesis that suggests the homosexual trait(s) helps the family gene to be passed onto future generations. Survival of the fittest does not only include pumping out as many children as you can, damn it! Some species do take that approach while others prefer to have only a few but healthy children. The "gay uncle", instead of worrying about his own children, would help to raise his nephews and neices. Such characteristics have been observed in ape populations where infants in families with gay relatives have better rate and chance of survival and growing up healthy. This hypothesis closely resembles the Grandmother Hypothesis.

But the most important flaw in Ann's logic is her presumption that if being gay is by choice then it is somehow bad. So what if a person chose to be gay? If he/she chose to be gay, then it is his/her right to do so. The constitution guarantees a person's right to "pursuit of happiness", and by golly if being gay makes a person happy and doesn't hurt anyone then why the hell would it be bad?

Coulter's next strawman is "If gays can't change then why do liberals think child-molesters can?" First of all, not all liberals think child molesters can change. Hell, even some child molesters admit they cannot change. What liberals believe in is that we should try to help them all so that the ones that CAN be changed change.

Some liberals such as myself believe that kid-loving is a sexuality, just like heterosexuality and homosexuality. And since it is a sexulaity, or so we believe, the mentality of the kid-lover cannot be changed. We, however, make a big distinction between kid-loving and pedophilia. Kid-loving is adoration and admiration from a distance. Unless you are Charles Xavier, you can't do anything about it. Pedophilia is when the kid-lover crosses the boundery and decides to violate another person's rights. In other words, some of us believe that pedophilia is another form of rape. To bunch kid-lovers and pedophiles together is like bunching heterosexuals together with rapists.

Ann's goes on to ask "Why must children be taught that recycling is the only answer? Why aren't we teaching children 'safe littering?'"

Repeat after me, we do not teach children that recycling is the only answer. There are many possible answers to our future environmental problems. We can start shipping our garbages to outer space. We can start dumping in people's backyards. We can start dumping them into the ocean. Hell, we can even start dumping them into Third World Countries. The fact of the matter is the garbage takes up space, just like everything that has mass. We can either ignore them and let our children solve the problem or we can reuse the reusable stuff. It's simple logic, people!

And why aren't we teaching children "safe littering"? For crying out loud, we are teaching our children "safe littering" everytime we tell them to throw their garbage into the trash cans rather than on the street or on the lawn.

I will continue to critique the writings of this anorexic hypocrite at a later time.

Admins, I sincerely hope that this goes into a forum other than the book nook so people can discuss and debate. I'll leave it to you to decide where this will go.


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Message 2 of 298 (325595)
06-24-2006 5:58 AM


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ThingsChange
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Message 3 of 298 (325613)
06-24-2006 9:09 AM
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06-24-2006 1:58 AM


You just proved Ann's point
...many liberals are christians who value the christian ideals and teachings. The primarily identify themselves as liberals because they look to the future rather than the past, they want to address the dangers of manmade impacts on the biosphere, they value universal human rights over traditional bigotry, they respect ALL religions and philosophies rather than just christianity, they would like their children and their children's children to be able to take a deep breath without having overreations to pollen dominated air or smog dominated atmospher, ..... you get the idea.

I get the idea, alright. You expouse the very attitude that (in general) Ann talks about.
Based on interviews I've seen with Ann, she is quite sharp and quick on counterpoints to liberals. Her verbal attacking style is obviously appealing to many folks. I haven't read her book, but she makes good points in her debates.
My big objection to her book is that I am godless, but a conservative. I am probably a very rare breed, based on the number of liberal writers at this forum.


'Liberalism is a mental disorder' - Michael Savage
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Message 4 of 298 (325623)
06-24-2006 9:46 AM
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06-24-2006 9:09 AM


Ann'$ point
Ah, the Fox-loved faux-fox hit-girl...has she commented on her being busted yet? I seem to recall that she had hot words for a liberal (i.e., not rabidly reactionary) professor accused of the same sin.

I've seen Coulter in debate as well. She is repetitious, slanderous, and loud: yes, TC, she's quick about it, too. It works on stage or telly but the crap shines through darkly in transcripts: most of her rejoinders fall into the "stop beating your wife yet?" or "ok, never mind that (you've refuted my point and I'm ignoring your request for evidence)--do you support gay marriage or not?" kind of thing. She dodges authentic debate venues where the rules do not allow her to interrupt with put-downs and insults.

She is a bully and a coward. She is also a hate-mongering, plagiarizing opportunist, the political equivalent to the chicken-eating carnival geek: Only the second term is news. The commercial success of this political pornographer is a fitting tribute to the intellectual giant in the WH.

"Ann's point" is Ann's pocket, pure (sorta) and simple. She will dry up and blow away in time like every other bubble-headed media bleach blonde and will be justly reincarnated as an illegal alien housemaid to O'Reilly.

Edited by Omnivorous, : typo


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Message 5 of 298 (325631)
06-24-2006 10:04 AM
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06-24-2006 9:46 AM


Re: Ann'$ point
i have a theory. it goes like this:

ann coulter is a liberal.

her style is not actually biting towards the left, but rather a scathing condemnation of the right. her work is satire, or even humor. she's making fun of the idiocy of the right, by becoming a gross exageration of them: hypocritical, bullying, intellectually lazy and dishonest. but, i have a feeling that she turned at some point, when she realized that just as many people on the right were buying her books and taking her seriously. i guess they don't get the joke. the fundie-neo-con right isn't so good with subtlety and subtext. or irony, for that matter.

so now, coulter writes because it's a living.

Edited by arachnophilia, : typo


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Message 6 of 298 (325644)
06-24-2006 10:57 AM
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Re: Ann'$ point
Hmmm. Ann Coulter as political street theater gone horribly wrong...

I like it.

Too bad she wasn't a mime, though.


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Message 7 of 298 (325757)
06-24-2006 5:38 PM
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Re: Ann'$ point
i dunno, she's not much to look at these days. i think she's been puking her guts out over liberals a little too much, and should check herself into a bulemia clinic. she doesn't look healthy at all.


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Message 8 of 298 (325846)
06-24-2006 9:13 PM


The thing that I notice about Ann Coulter is her Adams apple. It looks like a man’s Adam apple. Personally, I think she is packing.
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Message 9 of 298 (325859)
06-24-2006 9:36 PM
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nah, she dated a muslim. and muslim men don't go for that sorta thing.
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Message 10 of 298 (325861)
06-24-2006 9:41 PM
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06-24-2006 9:13 PM


she's typical modern christian republican
She's the face of the modern republican party. I haven't met a single neocon who doesn't adore her. She's what people who oppose gay marriage are like. She's what anti-choice people are like. She's what pro-Bush people are like. They love her. She's theirs. Crucifix and all.

And she wears cocktail dresses at 7 in the morning. On nationwide television. As Imus would probably say, "you just can't make this stuff up".

I like Ann.


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Message 11 of 298 (325922)
06-24-2006 11:21 PM


I saw Coulter described as "the Paris Hilton for conservatives."
  
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Message 12 of 298 (325935)
06-24-2006 11:43 PM
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Coke Head
Ann Coulter has a cocaine problem... it's actually very obvious if you have ever known anyone with a coke problem (which I unfortunately have).

There are certain twitches and mannerisms that are dead give-aways once you've known someone who has them.

(you can also see the wear in the area under her nose)


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Message 13 of 298 (325940)
06-24-2006 11:49 PM
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06-24-2006 9:09 AM


Re: You just proved Ann's point
I am godless, but a conservative

How can you vote for a party that detests you? The republican party hates you and everything you stand for. (I used to vote republican myself sadly enough)

from Bush sr.


Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm


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06-24-2006 11:50 PM
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Re: Coke Head
ann and dubya, sittin' in a tree...

ok, i don't mean to make too much fun, but it would explain a lot. she should get some help.


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06-25-2006 3:46 PM
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Re: Coke Head
quote:
Ann Coulter has a cocaine problem... it's actually very obvious if you have ever known anyone with a coke problem (which I unfortunately have).

Agreed, sure seems to have the same symptoms as the ones I have known as well. If our speculations are correct and she dosen't stop, the rehab and/or nuthouse is less than five years away.


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