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Author Topic:   Critique of Ann Coulter's The Church of Liberalism: Godless
Nighttrain
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Message 61 of 298 (332136)
07-16-2006 2:07 AM
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07-15-2006 11:52 PM


King of the heap
God put us at the top of the food chain
Try telling that to bacteria.

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Message 62 of 298 (332170)
07-16-2006 10:45 AM
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07-15-2006 11:12 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Sexuality and love are mutually exclusive.
you may love your kids, but i guess you don't love your wife. she's just a sex toy i suppose.

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Coragyps
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Message 63 of 298 (332171)
07-16-2006 10:47 AM
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07-15-2006 11:12 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
"If liberals cared as much as they do over abortion as they do over recycling, we'd have a pretty good society."
As long as we're wandering around here - does Ms Coulter, or N_J for that matter, give any specifics on this point? How, precisely, would or society be better if we had a couple million more "crack babies" in our schools and labor pool, and several million more kids with teenaged mothers? Is a fourteen-year-old unmarried girl likely to raise as stable a member of society as a somewhat older couple might?

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Coragyps
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Message 64 of 298 (332174)
07-16-2006 10:51 AM
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07-15-2006 11:52 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Any Bible scholar could tell you that the tenets of liberalism contrast drastically to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Just read the gospels if you do not believe me.
Hmm. I might suggest that you try reading them. What are those things called again? Beatitudes? They don't resemble Reaganomics much...

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 65 of 298 (332180)
07-16-2006 11:08 AM
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07-15-2006 11:55 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
[quote]I was not making a sweeping generalization[quote]
and
quote:
My first and fundamental point is that liberals do not tend to be Christian.
You just made a sweeping generalization.
It should come as no surprise that the majority of Christians have a more conservative point of view. Is that the rule? Absolutely not. There are Christians who are Democrats, and maybe even are apart of the Green Party. But I have not the ability to dictate where which party will go. I only can make observations on it.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 66 of 298 (332181)
07-16-2006 11:19 AM
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07-15-2006 11:59 PM


Re: Liberalism and religion
What's the modern definition?
You have probably been reading too much Coulter, Limbaugh and others. They give highly dishonest caricatures of liberals.
I've never really liked Limbaugh. But Ann, come on, she's funny.
As far as modern liberalism, there is a difference between old liberals and new. Old liberals, or Classic Liberals, still had their wits about them. But this modern liberalism is, at the core, opposed to Democracy, which makes me wonder why they call themselves Democrats. They want Socialism. They want to be Socialists. They want to hand over half of their paycheck to government run institutions so that they can be 234th on the waiting list to be seen by a doctor.

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hope that is in you.”
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 67 of 298 (332183)
07-16-2006 11:27 AM
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07-16-2006 12:45 AM


Re: Just finished her book
uh, no. it really is plagiarism. really really. i'm not just saying that. seriously. it's all over the blogs -- even the republican blogs. when i said "objectively proven" i meant it.
The only one who has a problem with Ann are those out to malign her. What will they think of next? Aside from the obvious, which is, conjecure is baseless without the actual text that was plagiarized. Do you have any links that actually give any specifics? So far, all I saw on those blogs, those blogs of a leftists persuasion, claim that she plagiarized. But I didn't see any specifics.

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everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
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nwr
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Message 68 of 298 (332195)
07-16-2006 12:12 PM
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07-16-2006 11:08 AM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
It should come as no surprise that the majority of Christians have a more conservative point of view.
When I first noticed it, many long years ago, it was a surprise. But it is no longer a surprise, for I have come to recognize that hypocrisy is commonplace.

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Message 69 of 298 (332198)
07-16-2006 12:20 PM
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07-16-2006 11:19 AM


Re: Liberalism and religion
I've never really liked Limbaugh. But Ann, come on, she's funny.
I really wouldn't know. She does not appear in anything that I regularly read, so I only hear second hand reports.
But this modern liberalism is, at the core, opposed to Democracy, which makes me wonder why they call themselves Democrats.
You have still failed to say what this "modern liberalism" is. As far as I can tell, it is a strawman invented by the dirty tricks department of the republical party.
They want to hand over half of their paycheck to government run institutions so that they can be 234th on the waiting list to be seen by a doctor.
By contrast, conservative Christians are lovers of disease and will, time after time, vote to achieve the further spread of disease and suffering.
Can't you tell the difference between a caricature and a definition?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 70 of 298 (332199)
07-16-2006 12:30 PM
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07-16-2006 1:36 AM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Read the book again. Most of the claims she made are unsupported and sensational bullshit. Unfortunately, my copy of her book is on the other side of the planet right now. I'll have to get back to you on the specifics.
Well, I have the book right in front of me. And her notes and index contain a long list of sources. They are as follows:
Chapter 1: 24 references
Chapter 2: 48 references
Chapter 3: 8 references
Chapter 4: 25 references
Chapter 5: 57 references
Chapter 6: 33 references
Chapter 7: 59 references
Chapter 8: 30 references
Chapter 9: 11 references
Chapter 10: 24 references
Chapter 11: 25 references
Like I said, she does her homework. Someobody like Ann doesn't have the luxury of just blurting out some asinine assertion aout this or that. And if her work is "sensational," then so is the Washington, LA, and New York Times, who paint pictures that don't exist. They don't report news, which is, ahem, their job, they make news. And Coulter exposes it for what it really is.
That's just it. Most of what is in that book are her outrageous opinions and are meant as sensational rally cries. They can neither be supported nor refuted. But read my original post again. I only looked through the first few pages of her book and I was able to find that many errors.
What errors? Anything you don't like is an "error?" What is your definition of an error?
Let me guess, you're going to say that these "liberal christians" aren't really christians, right?
Well, lets put it this way. If I referred to myself as an Asian man, even though I was clearly a black female, would my testimony about what I call myself be true? A liberalized church tends to be a compromising church that compromises doctrines. That's just thenature of it. Its the pick and choose gospel, rather than the actual gospel for many people.
And your point?
My point was clear.
Whatever you say, bob. Most of the christians on this forum might want to disagree with you there.
I doubt that highly.
I'm a physicist, not a biologist. You'll have to ask a biologist for a more definitive answer.
I was asking for your personal opinion on evolution. I already know that the evidence says.
I'm a physicist, not a psychologist. You'll have to ask a psychologist for a more definitive answer.
Again, your personal opinion is required here, not a dissertation.
How about both? As a matter of fact, I am at odds with most of the liberals on this board for my views on what we should do with criminals.
Amen. I agree fully. Both.
Good or bad is subjective. I would say that I believe recycling teaches responsibility and a more positive attitude toward our natural resources.
Amen. I recylce everything that is recylclable. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Again, to get the point across, Ann mentions it because it seems to take precedence over more pressing matters.
Again, who am I to tell people what they should and shouldn't do out of their own free will? Besides, I'm not a sociologist.
You don't need to be a sociologist to recognize whether something might or might not have an adverse effect. But yes, sex before marriage is comes down to a matter of freewill.
Please take a few more years of college biology on subjects regarding evolution before you make this "wise" and "logical" assertion. I have a feeling your understanding of scientific theories are that of a layman's layman.
Being that I've never seen you on any of the Biological Evolution threads, a thread that I frequent, you are currently not qualified to base your opinion on my level of expertise on a mere hunch. Feel free to engage my arguments from now on.
I have never called myself an intellectual and I probably am not an intellectual. As a matter of fact, ever since I was in high school I have become less knowledgable and less intellectual everyday.
Okay, well I appreciate your honesty.
Oh really? Perhaps you'd like to explain to me the gay couples I have met that have been together for decades? Sometimes, you'd see one old man taking care of his wheelchair bound companion.
Only if you can first explain to me why over 50% of homosexuals have had over 1,000 lifetime partners. I just typed "gay" in a search engine. The very first thing that popped up were immediately references to sex. Go Porno Pete, go! Its ravishing!
Page Not Found - Los Angeles LGBT Center
Homosexuality involves two consenting adults while pedophilia involves one consenting adult and one nonconsenting minor. I haven't come to a conclusion about beastiality yet.
You haven't come to a conclusion about beastiality yet? What conclusion is their to draw other than its insanity? And see, this is exactly what we knew was going to happen. First is the inculcation of homosexuality. then pedophilia, then beastiality. Its called an reductio ad absurdum argument. There is nothing more to conclude.
Apparently, you are only capable of feeling one form of the love emotion. Everything has to be sexual to you, doesn't it?
No, but apparently it does for you. Nice try turning around your penchant for little kids on me. Just answer the question without a question. Do you have sexually feelings for children and/or animals? Are you a member of NAMbLA, NAWbLA, NAMgLA, or NAWbLA?
"Freedom is indivisible. The liberation of children, women, boy-lovers, and homosexuals in general, can occur only as complementary facets of the same dream." -David Thorstad
The sexual "emancipation" of children is their stated aim. How do you feel about this?
Um... you should look this up again. It's not a crime to think or fantasize. Stalking is an entirely different thing. If you don't believe me, just consult your local lawyer or judge.
Stalking - Wikipedia
Uh, tracking down little boys and little girls and watching them is stalking. If you don't believe me, ante up and tell their parents what you've been doing and see how they react. "Oh sure dude, no problem. I don't care that you find my children sexually atractive. Wanna come over later for tea and cookies?"
Statutory rape - Wikipedia
Right... if that's the case than it's my mistake. Just so you know, satires only work if there's some kind of point behind the satire.
Well, if you can't even pick up on obvious satire then I doubt you are qualified to make any kind up claim about her being sensationalisitic, as if she makes few valid points. Again, all of hers are backed up, checked, double and triple checked by editors. No one would dare put out that information without ensuring that it was accurate..... for this very reason.
Nah, I was just being mean to her, knowing chances are she will never see what I wrote.
Well, you said that she uses ad hominem in her book. So, if you use ad hom then it cancels out your claim. I mean, I understand that you're heated about it. We get a little heated and sometimes say things that we shouldn't. But if we want to start grandstanding, then we have to do it without looking like giant hypocrites.
I wouldn't call that a nice figure. But if that's what you like, more power to you. I find people with a little bit more than just skin and bone more attractive.
I don't really think she's butt ugly or gorgeous. I actually could care less. I'm only interested in her mind.

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hope that is in you.”
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 71 of 298 (332200)
07-16-2006 12:33 PM
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07-16-2006 10:45 AM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
you may love your kids, but i guess you don't love your wife. she's just a sex toy i suppose.
The love I feel for more my wife IS exclusive to the sexual attraction I feel for her. So, is this your tacit way of saying that you'd like to have sex with your grandfather?

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Message 72 of 298 (332201)
07-16-2006 12:40 PM
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07-15-2006 11:12 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
she asks this logical question because the prevailing theory concerning homosexuality and the prevailing wisdom concerning the ToE conflict.
Umm, I've personally known homosexual men and women who had children and were the biological parents of those children. It would be interesting to see how many homosexuals have reproduced and how many haven't. I've also known heterosexuals who have not reproduced.
This argument is based on an obviously false premise. It's childishly stupid.
lfen

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Message 73 of 298 (332203)
07-16-2006 12:48 PM
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07-16-2006 10:47 AM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
How, precisely, would or society be better if we had a couple million more "crack babies" in our schools and labor pool, and several million more kids with teenaged mothers?
So you agree with the premise of eugenics? Just kill the undesirables so "we," the ones who weren't slaughtered get to decide who lives and who dies???? Far be it from me to belabor the obvious, but if everyone respected their own sexuality, there would't be millions of crack babies or millions more kids with teenage mothers, now would there?
Is a fourteen-year-old unmarried girl likely to raise as stable a member of society as a somewhat older couple might?
Its called, "adoption." For as many 'unwanted' children there are, there are many couples who can't concieve. they'd be more than willing to take the child from you. So what's the problem? The parent is absolved of any 'unwanted' responsibility... (God forbid that there shoul be concsequences for bad choices); the child stays alive, and the adopting parents get their bundle of joy.... What's the problem?
Now that sounds like a society that honors life. Sounds pretty good and civilized to me.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 74 of 298 (332204)
07-16-2006 12:49 PM
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07-16-2006 10:51 AM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Hmm. I might suggest that you try reading them. What are those things called again? Beatitudes? They don't resemble Reaganomics much...
Being that Reagan respected the Beatitudes and liberals don't, you aren't in the position to try to compare an economic pattern with a moral instruction.

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nwr
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Message 75 of 298 (332205)
07-16-2006 12:59 PM
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07-16-2006 12:48 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
How, precisely, would or society be better if we had a couple million more "crack babies" in our schools and labor pool, and several million more kids with teenaged mothers?
So you agree with the premise of eugenics?
Coragyps makes a statement that has nothing to do with eugenics. You respond with an accusation of eugenics.
I guess you were right (in Message 55) when you said that liberalism and Christianity are diametrically opposed. Liberals are not dishonest enough to qualify as Christians.

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