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Author Topic:   Diversification: Random Walk or Biological Determinism?
StevenFire
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Message 3 of 35 (488532)
11-12-2008 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Fosdick
11-12-2008 12:43 PM


Probability is a hard science. It tells us that at the roll of a dice the same number could come up at an infinite number of throws. However I don't think that we yet have the knowledge to accurately interpret randomness occurring in the Universe, or what ancient Greeks referred to as Chaos. (apart from old physics, forces, etc).
So events may be following certain RULES, but ones of which complexity may well be beyond our reach.

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StevenFire
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Message 11 of 35 (488646)
11-14-2008 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
11-12-2008 11:17 PM


Re: Real effect
Things get more complex because of trial and error trying all avenues, but not being able to be simpler than a single cell
Hi Razd,
I don't think that things have become more complex. I find hard to believe that even the reactions occurring in the primordial bath or the first cells are simple and maybe will never be elucidated. What has occurred is a diversification in structures, the complexity (e.g. in reactions) has remained, but the communication between structures has changed. Evolution doesn't increase complexity.

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StevenFire
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Message 14 of 35 (488701)
11-15-2008 1:56 AM
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11-14-2008 7:35 AM


Re: Real effect
The (theoretical) combination of two prokaryotes into a single eukaryote could be seen as reducing the information
and
it changes complexity, either increased or decreased
Razd,
So it would be safe assuming that diversification is reaching a less complex/less chaotic/more ordered system. That is fine by me since entropy in the Universe increases but not necessarily that on Earth.
the DNA is some 500x's the human genome
Be careful when associating length of dna with complexity, most of dna is non-coding or "junk-dna".

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