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Huntard
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Message 129 of 314 (605139)
02-17-2011 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Robert Byers
02-17-2011 2:59 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
Robert Byers writes:
First time (in a long time) poster here.
Welcome back then.
I think I'm on thread.
Did you mean on topic?
As a YEC creationist I would say there is not anatomical remnants or parts showing previous body types whatsoever.
Ok.
Where there is then it is evidence of a previous body type. like in marine mammals or snakes.
What is it? "[no] anatomical remnants or parts showing previous body types whatsoever" or "Where there [are anatomical remnants or parts] then it is evidence of a previous body type". It would help if you wouldn't contradict yourself.
Yet despite the claim of evolution of everything having been something else great numbers of times there is few, repeat few, creatures with anatomical evidence of those previous bodies.
Not even 1%.
How did you determine this number? Show your work please.
This would be impossible if evolution was true.
Why?
Further its only a interpretation that present body parts are from previous body parts doing other things. Its not evident they are anything else but what they are for now.
They aren't. Of course, they were different in the past.
Imagine how it should be if evolution was true.
I don't have to imagine, I can look outside.
every creature would have bits and pieces of previous body types galore.
No, it wouldn't. You don't know what evolution says, do you?
In fact evolution indirectly admits this by using marine mammals, like whales, to demonstrate evolutionary change. They point at vestigial parts and say aha evolution proved.
Yet in fact they prove the opposite.
Marine mammals are special cases of quick adaptation.
Show that it was indeed "quick". And what you call "adaptation", scientists call evolution.

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Huntard
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Message 134 of 314 (605277)
02-18-2011 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Robert Byers
02-18-2011 12:56 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
Robert Byers writes:
Marine mammals are clearly land creatures that adapted to the seas.
Ok.
so indeed they kept remnants of this reality.
Yes, like evolution predicts.
Yet again however evolution believers use these marine mammals as case in point that evolution is true.
Well, yes. Even you admit that this is evience for evolution. See, where you use the word "adapted", biologists use the word "evolved". They're the same thing.
in fact it makes a damning case against it.
What is it? The sentences "Marine mammals are clearly land creatures that adapted to the seas" and "in fact it makes a damning case against [evolution]" are contradictory. I asked you to stop contradicting yourself. That would make it easier to understand what you are on about.

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Huntard
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Message 139 of 314 (605407)
02-19-2011 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Robert Byers
02-19-2011 5:23 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
Robert Byers writes:
Nope. no contradiction.
Of course there is. The sentences "Marine mammals are clearly land creatures that adapted to the seas" and "in fact it makes a damning case against [evolution]" are contradictory. On the one hand you admit to evolution being true, on the other you say it can't be true. That's called a contradiction.
The few cases make the case the lack otherwise is crushing to the claims of biological evolution.
I'm sorry, what? This sentence makes no sense at all.
The few cases can be seen from other minor mechanisms of change.
Neither does this one.
i see them as innate triggers in bodies , especially after the flood, to rapidly fill the earth and so adapt.
Great. Care to provide evidence for those triggers, or should we just take your word for it?
Marine creatures clearly were land creatures.
Some were, most weren't.
So sure enough they have anatomical evidence.
Like evolution predicts.
Yet all other creatures don't seem to have evolved in any way and sure enough they no bits and pieces of foregone bodies.
Of course they do. Every "body part" around today is from an earlier creature. They don't look like their "original" parts any more, because they were changed to adapt to a different environment.

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Huntard
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Message 257 of 314 (608403)
03-10-2011 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Robert Byers
03-10-2011 5:02 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
Robert Byers writes:
evolution relys a great deal on the fossil record. Without it evolution fails.
Wrong. To paraphrase Francis Collins (who is a Christian, by the way):
"Even without the fossil record, the genetic evidence alone is enough to prove evolution".
I don't see evolution being greatly based on biological research.
I mean by biology actual research of living life.
That's because you don't know alot about it.

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Huntard
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Message 260 of 314 (608406)
03-10-2011 5:15 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Robert Byers
03-10-2011 4:59 AM


Re: Exceptio Probat Regulam
Robert Byers writes:
I just found out on wiki even people have trained their brains to use radar by noise for blindness. no big deal. no time needed.
Then you understood it wrong. First of all, if it uses sound, it's not radar, it's sonar, and second, no, blind people do not use sonar.
Diversity in bats is just a quick adaptation after the flood. Within a century all there ever were in types had arrived.
Evidence for this?
no evolution as such.
Dude, if what you say is what happened, then that is super-evolution. Evolution so fast as to be deemed virtually impossible by biologists.
creatures are limited by their kinds.
Evidence?
its not common creationist opinion but its demanding and reasonable.
No, it is bat shit crazy. You say evolution cannot happen, yet you propose some sort of super-evolution. Remember when I asked you to stop contradicting yourself? You are doing it again.

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2316 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 266 of 314 (608425)
03-10-2011 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Percy
03-10-2011 9:19 AM


Re: Exceptio Probat Regulam
Percy writes:
About blind people and sound, while I guess it couldn't be considered sonar because the sound isn't necessarily self-generated, you can learn a great deal about your surroundings from sound, especially reflected sound. A long, long time ago after I'd been playing racket ball for a couple years I discovered I could get my racket on the ball a fair amount of the time with my eyes closed, the sound, both reflected and direct, apparently providing sufficient cues.
I wouldn't call this sonar though, I'd call it "hearing". Perhaps a radical idea, but I think it fits best.
I don't think the ability to navigate sonically is very unusual among animals, but rather that in bats and dolphins it is unique in its degree of specialization and sophistication.
Which is what I was getting at.
Note to creationists in the Your EvC Debate Dream Team - Fantasy Debating thread: I'm expressing disagreement with Huntard.
Well of course you are. This was decided at the last meeting of evil atheists and evolutionists. It was decided that we should have minor quarrels amongst ourselves to take another argument away from those creationists we all hate so much... Wait... I wasn't suppose to divulge that, was I?

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