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Author Topic:   Mamalian red blood cells
Capt Stormfield
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Message 3 of 51 (500445)
02-26-2009 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by AlphaOmegakid
02-26-2009 9:19 AM


I am posting this topic primarily because I think it is evidence of God's creation. However, I also think the evidence of red blood cells in mammals defies evolutionary theory. So, I am asking evolutionists for any explanation they may have for this wonder of life.
So here's the challenge topic, what "just so" story could explain an evolutionary pathway for living red blood cells to give up their life and that change be beneficial for the entire organism without having catastrophic consequenses for the life of the organism.
It's an interesting question. If you were a scientist, how would you go about seeking an answer? What kind of research do you think is required here? What kind evidence would lead you to say "Oh, yeah, I get it. That's obviously how the function of hemoglobin evolved."
More to the point, since you have established right at the beginning of your post that you are making an argument from ignorance, do you think anyone should even try? Is your faith increased by your ignorance? Would it be diminished if the evolutionary pathway to hemoglobin were to be determined? Did those who lived in the (quite recent) era before the function of hemoglobin was understood have a poorer understanding of salvation than you? I fail to see any point to your post, or to your argument.
Capt.
Edited by Capt Stormfield, : edit typo

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Capt Stormfield
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From: Vancouver Island
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Message 17 of 51 (500483)
02-26-2009 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by AlphaOmegakid
02-26-2009 12:13 PM


quote:It's an interesting question. If you were a scientist, how would you go about seeking an answer? What kind of research do you think is required here? What kind evidence would lead you to say "Oh, yeah, I get it. That's obviously how the function of hemoglobin evolved."
First of , you don't know that I am not a scientist. And secondly, you may want to explore the differences between hemoglobin and red blood cells. Hint: It similar to the difference between pebbles and Mt. Everest.
Nice dodge of the question.
If you think I am using argument ad ignoratiam, then please spell this out. I have stated quite a few facts about red blood cells. Some from a religious perspective, but most from a biological perspective. Then I have asked a question about you and others supplying evidence of how this process of extrusion of the DNA and the mitochondria evolved.
Did you read your own post? You said:
I am posting this topic primarily because I think it is evidence of God's creation. However, I also think the evidence of red blood cells in mammals defies evolutionary theory.
...Now I will stop the preaching and share why I think this is impossible under an evolutionary process.
You have presented nothing in the way of evidence for creation, you have only attempted to show that there is not an evolution based description of the process. If you are not making an argument from ignorance, then please show your positive evidence for creation.
This is not about hemoglobin! It is about mammalian red blood cells. You have created a strawman/red herring
The essence of your post was about the process whereby RBCs change so as to facilitate the transfer of oxygen via the hemoglobin they contain. If you wish to make the semantic quibble that it is somehow relevant to the point of your post whether I refer to the evolution of hemoglobin vs. the evolution of the red blood cell, then you merely make yourself appear desperate to avoid the subject at hand. The subject, of course, being that you are making an argument for creation based on your (or everyone's) alleged ignorance of how this system might have evolved. You have presented no logical connection between this alleged ignorance and your belief in creation.
So, again: If you are not making an AFI, what is the point of your post? Why are RBCs evidence creation? Do they have God's fingerprints on them?
Capt.
Edited by AdminModulous, : cleaning up bbcode
Edited by Capt Stormfield, : Quoting not working?
Edited by Capt Stormfield, : Thanks Admin we crossed paths trying to fix the missing slash.

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