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Author Topic:   Is Inkorrekt, like all humans, an ape?
Michael
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Message 5 of 25 (292051)
03-04-2006 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by ramoss
03-04-2006 9:03 AM


not all primates are apes
Humans are primates, which if a form of Ape.
I don't think this is correct. "Apes" are in the order Primates, but not all primates are apes. From here: http://anthro.palomar.edu/primate/prim_7.htm
Apes and humans differ from all of the other primates in that they lack external tails.
For reference, here is the hierarchy from http://www.itis.usda.gov for Homo sapiens (with authorities and common names):
Kingdom Animalia -- Animal, animals, animaux
Phylum Chordata -- chordates, cordado, cordés
Subphylum Vertebrata -- vertebrado, vertebrates, vertébrés
Class Mammalia Linnaeus, 1758 -- mamífero, mammals, mammifres
Subclass Theria Parker and Haswell, 1897
Infraclass Eutheria Gill, 1872
Order Primates Linnaeus, 1758 -- homem, macaco, primata, primates, primates, sagui
Family Hominidae Gray, 1825 -- man-like primates
Genus Homo Linnaeus, 1758 -- hominoids
Species Homo sapiens Linnaeus, 1758 -- human, man
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Michael
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Message 6 of 25 (292058)
03-04-2006 10:18 AM
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03-04-2006 9:03 AM


superfamily Hominoidea = apes it seems
From here it seems that the superfamily Hominoidea is synonymous with "apes"--though they are a bit sloppy with the terminology at the top of the page. I will go ahead and insert this into the ITIS hierarchy. Note that they seem to be making a distinction between apes and humans however.
Homo sapiens (with authorities and common names):
Kingdom Animalia -- Animal, animals, animaux
Phylum Chordata -- chordates, cordado, cordés
Subphylum Vertebrata -- vertebrado, vertebrates, vertébrés
Class Mammalia Linnaeus, 1758 -- mamífero, mammals, mammifres
Subclass Theria Parker and Haswell, 1897
Infraclass Eutheria Gill, 1872
Order Primates Linnaeus, 1758 -- homem, macaco, primata, primates, primates, sagui
Superfamily Hominoidea -- apes and humans
Family Hominidae Gray, 1825 -- man-like primates
Genus Homo Linnaeus, 1758 -- hominoids
Species Homo sapiens Linnaeus, 1758 -- human, man
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This site also makes the distinction between apes and humans at the superfamily level.
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Michael
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Message 8 of 25 (292071)
03-04-2006 11:02 AM
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03-04-2006 10:32 AM


Of course, the question arises on how much of that is science , and how much of that is political. The great apes and humans are all Hominoidea
Agreed, it could be political. I am having a little trouble finding out how primatologists define "ape." I am also getting sidetracked along the way. A couple of sites talking of a "new" classification scheme for primates are here and (though not primary literature) here.
This is fun, but got to get to work.
Cheers.

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Michael
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Message 12 of 25 (292324)
03-05-2006 9:49 AM
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03-05-2006 8:23 AM


Perhaps the question to Inkorrekt should be rephrased: does he accept that humans are a member of the same biological family, Hominidae, as chimps, gorillas and orangutans?
I think it should go beyond this. Those in the science crowd who like to call creationists "apes" (in part, I think, because those people know it annoys the creationists so much) should refrain, unless a consensus can be found among primatologists that the term "ape" includes humans.
Cheers.

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Michael
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Message 19 of 25 (292351)
03-05-2006 11:25 AM
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03-05-2006 10:51 AM


Homo (Pan)
Recently there has been an effort to reclassify chimps\bonobos as hominids, due to their genetic (and behavioral?) similarity (especially vs the dissimilarity between species in other families).
I've seen a scheme that takes this further and reclassifies Pan as a subgenus of Homo. Do you know if this is being considered seriously by systematists?
This seems to me to be on-topic.

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