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Message 210 of 274 (86865)
02-17-2004 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by crashfrog
02-16-2004 1:34 PM


Blood In, Blood out
crashfrog writes:
Blood isn't conscious.
Ahhh but Crashfrog! It is, and He did die for us by shedding His! You may continue posting numerous intellectual posts that disavow the reality of the living, loving and personal God that knows you better than you know yourself, and I humbly ask you to reconsider! Much love to the Crashfrog from Phatboy
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Message 212 of 274 (86892)
02-17-2004 4:09 AM
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02-17-2004 1:43 AM


I admit that it is a pride thing. And I will say that you irritate me but not as much as Consequent or Wm Scott! I know that I irritate some of you, as well! I do not think that it matters as long as, overall, we help each other think more outside of our own box in a helpful way rather than in a way in which we hurt others and kill their faith because some church killed ours.

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Phat
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Message 219 of 274 (87015)
02-17-2004 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by nator
02-17-2004 8:27 AM


schrafinator writes:
You are making these vague, unsupported claims of "mental and spiritual" differences between as-yet-unstated racial groups
I do know that in the general consensus of scriptural interpretation, the following scripture is defined in context
Matt 24:6-7=Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
Nations are ethnic groups such as Croatians and Serbians. Kingdoms are countries such as Iraq and the United States. Thus, if Jesus is correct, there will continue to be conflict on earth due to the mental and/or spiritual differences between groups. I suppose that to be fair, Jesus WAS referring to ethnic vs ethnic and Country vs Country. He does not mention race vs race. Good thing, because I love my friends of different races! The reason for war and hatred is the conflict between spirits. There are basically only two spirits.
The Holy Spirit, and____________________. This is why Jesus said
Matt 12:30-31="He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.(from New International Version)
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Phat
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Message 224 of 274 (87068)
02-17-2004 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by steelspring1
02-17-2004 3:06 PM


The Communal Mind
steelspring1 writes:
A Communal Mind: is similar in operation to an individual mind, except that audible conversation replaces silent thoughts; but the mechanism of understanding is the same ideas, expressed in words, which are filtered by a code of values to determine which should become reasons for action.
And think, for a moment how this statement ties in with the Tower of Babel language analogy.
Gen 11:1-7 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth." But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
The KJV says that
Gen 11:6=now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
So again, we have two flows in the Bible. Flow#1:Submit to God or Flow#2:imagine your own destiny.

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Phat
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Message 226 of 274 (87199)
02-18-2004 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by steelspring1
02-17-2004 4:35 PM


Humans were created, then affected.
steelspring1 writes:
To affect something is different than to create or produce.
I agree, steelspring1. Think about God, the serpant, and the human mind. Even if the Garden of Eden story is a metaphor or a parable, the premise still stands. God created. The serpent affected.

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Phat
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Message 228 of 274 (87297)
02-18-2004 4:26 PM
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02-18-2004 10:57 AM


Re: Humans were created, then affected.
I think that if there is anything about a human being that is unique apart from being a mere highly evolved animal then I think that at some point in our past, we became intellectual enough to talk with God. To comprehend God. To commune with God. It was at this point that God allowed humanity a free will. Adam and Eve, whether actual people or archtypes of the first cognizant humans had the first chance to obey or disobey God. They disobeyed, and it was not as if it surprised God that they did. I believe that it is all part of a bigger plan and that we as humans are a part of it. We still have an active choice in the outcome of this plan in each of our lives. As the scripture says,
Heb 3:7-9=So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did.
In the desert, the people resisted change. They resisted growth. They resisted obedience. I believe that today, we have a choice to do something different!

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