Yaro, he is asking for whale fossils, to show how common they are. As such, the links are self-explanatory. They show whale finds in many different areas of the world.
Ah! ok. You should add that too the post.
The reason I say this is that folks, like me, are given to just pass by a laundry list of bare links. If you explain that the links are short descriptions of finds, people will be more inclined to click on them.
Yaro, the specifics don't really matter. If know Joe played in the casino for 2 weeks, and won 1000 hands (fossils), then we can reasonably say it's not that rare for someone to win a hand in the casino.
Yaro, take some time to learn the data. Try to engage it instead of trying to make an argument.
We have thousands of Basilosaurus fossils. They are so common in Louisiana and Mississippi that people used them for various things around the house and to prop up houses. If you had at all taken the time to seriously look at the links I provide on these threads and my posts, you would know that.
Sorry. I don't see that number. Here, I'll give you an accurate number on those Trilobites:
Trilobites are well-known, possibly the second most famous fossil group after the dinosaurs, and are the most diverse group of animal species preserved in the fossil record, consisting of eight, possibly nine, orders and over 15,000 species.
As it turns out I was wrong. There are litteraly millions of trilobite fossils found! It is one of the most common fossils. The cambrian erra was known as the age of the trilobite. They are an incredibly common find.
I read thrugh a few articles on Basil (from the last time we were on this marry go round) and I don't see a specific number I may be wrong. But, taking your number at face value, how does that compare to the trilobite?
This message has been edited by Yaro, 10-25-2005 02:04 PM
quote:Dr. Brand found that the whale remains were blanketed by a thick layer of diatomite (silica remains of diatoms). These tiny creatures, known collectively as plankton together with dinoflagellates, are part of the food source for whales...
But why did the whales die in the first place? "There is more and more evidence that red tides--blooms of diatoms and dinoflagellates--produce toxins which can kill large animals and fish," he says.
Recently, it was discovered that several hundred sea lions off the coast of California were killed by toxins produced by diatoms. Other studies of these tiny organisms have found that increased levels of iron in the water greatly increase the rate of reproduction.
"Perhaps an increase of iron in the water, together with volcanic ash from the Andes--which provides silica--caused a bloom of diatoms to take place," Dr. Brand hypothesizes, "and the toxins produced by the diatoms killed the whales."
Falling to the bottom, he postulates, the whales were soon covered by the skeletal remains of the diatom bloom before decay and scavengers could damage and scatter the bones.
"We did not find evidence of the other animals which typically form the ecosystem around a decaying whale carcass," he details, "probably because whales were buried before those animals were able to colonize it."
Interestingly, sharks did leave their mark on the fossil whale remains studied in detail by the team, evidenced by both teeth marks on the bones and actual teeth left behind.
I thought that might be interesting to everyone. The other links aren't so interesting unfortunately.
Mark, can any of you guys explain how in the same area, we see whales and Basilosaurus, but none of the species that supposedly are in between.
Er, I will, right after you respond to my direct reply to your specific questions.
On second thoughts, what would be the point? You'll only ignore the answer like your doing now.
Engage the specific areas and specific data, not generalizations about why some species may not have fossilized.
Your question was:
randman forgets writes:
2. On the nature of fossilization, I would like to see someone explain why a process so rare routinely has produced dozens, hundreds and thousands of fossils of just one species, and qualify what they mean by "rare." It is rare for some individual to win the lottery, but it is not rare that someone will win the lottery.
You never asked me why Basilosaurus & whales were in the same area. Why would I try to explain that? Jesus H. Christ, what an idiot! You will however note that I define "rare", as asked. I also explain why some species fossils are relatively common, & others are nowhere to be seen, as asked. Now, did point 2 of post 257 ask anything else? Have a look... No it doesn't.
I replied to your point 2, as requested, now respond to the answer & stop being such an obtuse fuckwit. Good grief.
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http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/michwls.html claims that 3 whales specimens have been found in michigan, a sperm, finback, and right whale. it is a creationist site, these finds apparantly refute geologic history.
Percy, I don't know honestly. It's bad timing. Maybe tonight, and maybe next week. I am about to leave town for a week, maybe less, and won't be around a computer until late at night in all likelihood.
But I can log onto the chat area for a few minutes now, but probably will get a phone call and have to go.
quote:these finds apparantly refute geologic history.
How so? They don't even seem to refute Modulous' post.
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Very interesting but NOT on topic here. Please start a new thread on the "misplaced" cetaceans
That link says that according to standard geologic history, there hasn't been an ocean in Michigan for 290 millions years, therefore something is wrong because modern whale fossils have been found there.
i agree it is off-topic and have no intentions of defending the claims of creationists sites anyway. -clark This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 10-25-2005 03:04 PM
This message has been edited by Clark, 10-25-2005 03:15 PM