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NosyNed
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Message 166 of 171 (125346)
07-17-2004 10:36 PM
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07-17-2004 10:19 PM


footprints
which is a lot earlier than when the first humans are supposed to have evolved.
If by "human" you mean genus Homo then, yes, I think that is correct. However, the footprints are, I think, taken as being astralopithicine such as Lucy. The anatomy of those could produce walking as in the footprints.
However, the above cited article explained how one of the prolecantids had certain soft tissue that made it "hydrodynamically" (the exact word they used) distinct from the others. I believe the soft tissue was pockets of a saline fluid, but I'm not sure
Interesting. What specimens did they have which preserved such soft tissue or gave hints of it? Any conjecture as to why the correlation between these and the shells? How big a difference is required to get the sorting right?
The anomolous list will take a while to look at.
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NosyNed
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Message 167 of 171 (125348)
07-17-2004 10:38 PM
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07-17-2004 10:19 PM


Oh oh
First two references I picked (147 and 148) are in polish and from the same creationist source.
Aren't there any of these in mainstream literature??
Could you point to those which are English and mainstream?
(150 and 151 are referenced in mainstream papers)
It is unfortunate that the latest of them is 1981 and none of them are probably going to be available on the web for us to review.
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Message 168 of 171 (130886)
08-06-2004 12:08 AM
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07-17-2004 10:38 PM


The anomolous list will take a while to look at...Could you point to those which are English and mainstream?...It is unfortunate that the latest of them is 1981 and none of them are probably going to be available on the web for us to review.
Yeah, examining that list would probably be extremely tedious, and if you spent much time trying to sort through it (and I hope you didn't), I apologize. It isn't very nice to shove a list of books at your opponent to examine, and I'll try not to do that again.
And yes, it isn't as mainstream (or english) as would be condusive to debate. I might spend the time to research some of the list, but until then I think I'll leave it alone.
If by "human" you mean genus Homo then, yes, I think that is correct. However, the footprints are, I think, taken as being astralopithicine such as Lucy. The anatomy of those could produce walking as in the footprints.
I don't believe Lucy was bipedal, but that is a seperate debate which I don't have time for right now, and shouldn't have opened up.
What specimens did they have which preserved such soft tissue or gave hints of it?...[more questions follow]
ARRRRGHH! I wish I had access to that article. I had my entire argument based on it, and I was hoping that wouldn't be a problem. If I didn't have to, I wouldn't have posted it.
However, I had promised Crashfrog that I would respond to his post about the prolecantids, and the article was all I had to go on. It had been more than a month and I felt like I needed to respond, so I did, even though the stupid article disappeard.
Anyway, I don't have much/any evidence for this debate, and I am very busy with the "evolution compared with creation 'science'" thread; is it ok with you if I leave this thread?

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NosyNed
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Message 169 of 171 (130889)
08-06-2004 12:42 AM
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08-06-2004 12:08 AM


Ok to leave?
You sure don't need my permission.
It is unusual for someone to just admit they don't have evidence. As you've seen it isn't unheard of for someone to simply declare "evidence" without anything to show.

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jt
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Message 170 of 171 (130891)
08-06-2004 1:04 AM
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08-06-2004 12:42 AM


Re: Ok to leave?
You sure don't need my permission.
Cool . I just didn't want to run away without saying anything.

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NosyNed
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Message 171 of 171 (130893)
08-06-2004 1:09 AM
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08-06-2004 1:04 AM


Polite!
That isn't a common form of manners. Thanks.

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