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Lindum
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Message 1 of 17 (130443)
08-04-2004 7:17 PM


For info, it speaks for itself:
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The team believe that Archaeopteryx had enlarged brain regions for vision and movement control, similar to modern-day birds. Its inner ear structure, which helped to control balance, was also bird-like and its brain to body size-ratio resembled that of today's feathered fliers. Such attributes are not found in animals that do not take to the skies.
"This shows that Archaeopteryx was more bird-like than we thought," says Larry Witmer, who studies the evolution of flight at Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine. The birds had a keen sense of vision and the movement and balance control needed for coordinated, controlled flight.
The full story at Flying dinosaur had 'bird brain' | Nature

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Message 2 of 17 (130506)
08-04-2004 9:57 PM
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08-04-2004 7:17 PM


and where shall I shove it?
Did you want this moved to a specific thread?

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Lindum
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Message 3 of 17 (130625)
08-05-2004 9:37 AM
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Re: and where shall I shove it?
Short Subjects? I would have put it there myself, but adminmoose has been very strict recently, so I daren't!

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Message 4 of 17 (130672)
08-05-2004 12:11 PM


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jar
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Message 5 of 17 (130675)
08-05-2004 12:15 PM


It flies.
So is it simply an unintellegent designed bird or a Rube Goldberg dino?

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Message 6 of 17 (130696)
08-05-2004 1:10 PM
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08-05-2004 12:15 PM


another possibility
is tree dweller -- squirrels have larger brains that equal wieight rats and have similar enlargements to the visual and balance areas to enable their arboreal behavior (as do ... primates?)

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Message 7 of 17 (130697)
08-05-2004 1:12 PM
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08-04-2004 7:17 PM


Lindum,
But this still doesn't put in doubt the transitional nature of Archie. This species still has numerous characterstics found only in reptiles and not in a single extant bird species. It is exciting that we are learning more and more about Archie through the years with new advances in technology and methodology.

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Message 8 of 17 (130713)
08-05-2004 1:54 PM
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08-05-2004 1:12 PM


I agree, if anything this appears to further strengthen it's case for being a transitional - reptilian anatomy with avian flight control.

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Message 9 of 17 (130744)
08-05-2004 3:29 PM


Thread moved here from the Short Subjects forum.

  
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10-16-2004 6:00 PM


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Message 11 of 17 (150399)
10-16-2004 11:17 PM
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08-04-2004 7:17 PM


The team believe that Archaeopteryx had enlarged brain regions for vision and movement control, similar to modern-day birds. Its inner ear structure, which helped to control balance, was also bird-like and its brain to body size-ratio resembled that of today's feathered fliers. Such attributes are not found in animals that do not take to the skies.
1. The Genesis record implicates the Edonic serpents as having higher mental capacity than all the other animals. I have repeatedly stated my belief that the Edonic serpents were dinosaurs.
2. We have today, flying squirrels which do not seem to be evolving into birds. Is it feasible that this creature may have had some of that ability as a mammal?

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Message 12 of 17 (150693)
10-18-2004 9:19 AM
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10-16-2004 11:17 PM


Hi Buz.
2. We have today, flying squirrels which do not seem to be evolving into birds. Is it feasible that this creature may have had some of that ability as a mammal?
Could you expand on this question a bit? I'm not sure what you're asking. Thanks.

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Message 13 of 17 (150696)
10-18-2004 9:26 AM
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10-16-2004 11:17 PM


The Genesis record implicates the Edonic serpents as having higher mental capacity than all the other animals. I have repeatedly stated my belief that the Edonic serpents were dinosaurs.
But, Buz, dinosaurs are famous for their rather small brains - if these Edonic serpents are indeed dinosaurs wouldn't they therfore have lower, rather than higher, mental capacity?

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Message 14 of 17 (150701)
10-18-2004 9:44 AM
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10-18-2004 9:26 AM


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But, Buz, dinosaurs are famous for their rather small brains - if these Edonic serpents are indeed dinosaurs wouldn't they therfore have lower, rather than higher, mental capacity?
Yeah, didn't several of the really huge dinosaurs have sort of "second brains"; ganglia of nerves close to their hind legs and tails to facilitate coordinated movement?

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Message 15 of 17 (150703)
10-18-2004 9:53 AM
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10-18-2004 9:44 AM


They're not really 'brains' - more kind of booster stations.

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