Did Eyelids Evolve?

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"Christians support evolution unless they are set on denying God and passing on a culture of ignorance to their children."

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Utter rubbish. Not responding to that.Edited by Aladon, : No reason given.

Speaking of responding, when you are replying to a particular post, use the "reply" button at the bottom of that particular message. It will help the rest of us figure out with whom you are speaking, and it provides a link so we can go back and read that post.Use the "General Reply" button at the bottom of the entire page only when you are making a general comment that isn't a reply to any particular person's post.

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Few men and fewer women had the means or the desire to write a book on "How I failed to overcome my humble origins." -- Graham Robb

You can refuse to face facts, truth and honesty if you want. However that happens to be truth and fact. In the words of St. Augustine:

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"It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation"

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St Augustine

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Why must you continue "speaking so idiotically on these matters?" Check the facts. Here is a link to the Clergy Project Letter where you can read the full statement.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Thanks, wasn't used to this interface.

With respect, I neither read letters from so called Saints or letters from Clergy. There were Anglican Bishops of the 1960's declaring that God was dead. A Christian youth movement responded in song with the words, "God is Not Dead."I read the Bible and the works of Scholars who do not 'interpret' God's Word, but divide it and examine it correctly. I also read scientific works if they are written honestly.What about you? I've read some of your remarks elsewhere and it's obvious you have never really studied the Bible? What gives you the right to comment on it?

You are wrong. You are excused.The mechanism of evolution is natural selection. This mechanism makes it more likely that later generations of a population will keep those characteristics of the organism that give it greater fecundity and lose those that reduce its fecundity. This tendency has been directly observed in the natural world, and is accepted even by most cdesign proponentists. To say that it is "only a theory" displays a common misunderstanding of the nature of science. Everything in science is a theory, to be kept or discarded as the evidence dictates. Evolution is a theory in the exact same way that gravity is a theory, or the germ theory of disease is a theory. Please give one example of this dismantling. This, again, is simply wrong. First, panspermia refers to how life began. Evolution is only concerned with how life changes over time once it has begun. Second, scientific literature may consider the theory, but it certainly hasn't been firmly adopted by anyone as being the only or even the best explanation for how life began. Well, at least you got something correct. Now we shall see whether you are willing to examine, or whether you came here to simply spout inaccuracies then run away when they are challenged.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

That is called "Willful Ignorance." Yet more "Willful Ignorance." Wearing out more Bibles than most folk have. Having been a Christian for over 60 years.BUT, the topic is "Did Eyelids Evolve?", and we are in a Science forum called "Biological Evolution."If you have anything related to the actual topic, we would love to examine it.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The theory of evolution has progressed a great deal since Darwin, as has science in general. Ah, the No True Scotsman fallacy. Have to love that one. I clearly cannot have been a real Christian, or really have accepted Jesus, because I later became an Atheist.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Is that the royal 'we', who will examine what I write?A Christian for over 60 years? You don't know how many humans were on the ark or that Noah would have taken food on the ark with him. Ever took an animal on a trip before?Anyway, you are correct on one thing, we are discussing eyelids, biology and the likes.Okay, is there any transitional evidence for the eyelid or any other of modern mans parts or functions?

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Ah, the No True Scotsman fallacy. Have to love that one. I clearly cannot have been a real Christian, or really have accepted Jesus, because I later became an Atheist.

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Almost true, but you must be reading between the lines because that is not what I suggested.Evolutionary theory may have progressed, but it's still a theory.

Eyelids are one thing that goes back a long, long ways, long before humans. They are common to almost all mammals as well as many of the critters that preceded mammals.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Ah, so you haven't been reading what people have been posting at all, then.You know, "gravity" is "just a theory" too. And it has about as much supporting evidence as the theory of evolution.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Hilarious. Gravity is a provable theory. I refer you to Isaac Newton.

Gravity has been observed, but all the details of how it happens have not yet been sussed out.Evolution has been observed, but all the details of how it happens, and the history of how it occurred, have not yet been sussed out.Same thing.{ABE} Oh, and Newton got it wrong. I refer you to Einstein.Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Go back and read the rest of the thread. We already went over some of the evolutionary precursors to eyelids, and the fact that humans still have the vestigial remnants of the nictitating membrane.As for other transitional evidence:ALL features of all species are transitional. They exist between their ancestors and their descendants, and their features will be slightly different versions from both, the differences growing with further separation.Humans, for example have features like the appendix - a vestigial remnant of the cecum, which helped our distant evolutionary ancestors digest cellulose (in other words, they were herbivores and could eat things like grass). In us, the appendix serves no real function, and is actually detrimental due to its habit of becoming infected. But it's the same feature, slightly modified for many, many generations until its original purpose is completely unnecessary.We also have a vestigial tail.If evolution is true, then all features of all species must be a modified version of the same feature on another pre-existing species. it doesn't have to do the same job, but it has to be the same feature. And this is exactly what we see. No features are unique, they are only modified versions of the same feature we see in other species.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.