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Message 4 of 141 (207178)
05-11-2005 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Minnemooseus
05-11-2005 4:06 PM


Separation of Church & State
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Message 6 of 141 (207180)
05-11-2005 4:26 PM
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05-11-2005 4:06 PM


Separation of Church & State
Here is a good opinion on this topic. On a sidenote, many schools do not understand the law and they overreact to any religious activity.
ACLJ.org writes:
Does the Constitution actually require that the "separation of church and state" keep religion out of the public schools?
No! First, the Constitution never mentions the phrase "separation of church and state." That phrase was first used by Thomas Jefferson in an address to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802, 13 years after the Constitution was written and accepted as the law of the United States. Neither is the phrase recorded in the notes of the Constitutional Convention. The constitution does say: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof[.]" In fact, the Court has said, on numerous occasions, that separation is impossible. Therefore, the Constitution does not demand that religion be kept out of our public schools. The Constitution only prohibits school-sponsored religious activities. Free Exercise of Religion is our right under the Constitution.
There was a case involving a Bible club. On August 11, 1984, the Senate voted 88-to-11, and the House voted 337-to-77, to pass the Equal Access Act into law. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld it by a vote of
8-to-1, in the ‘Westside Community Schools vs. Mergans case in 1990. Section 4071
(20 U.S.C. SS 4071-74) declares;
Sec.4071. (a) It shall be unlawful for any public secondary school which receives Federal financial assistance and which has a limited open forum, to deny equal access or a fair opportunity to, or discriminate against, any students who wish to conduct a meeting within that limited open forum on the basis of the religious, philosophical, political, or other content of speech at such meeting.
As Justice O'Connor held speaking for the Court in Mergens, "If a State refused to let religious groups use facilities open to others, then it would demonstrate not neutrality but hostility toward religion."
I say more power to them!
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Message 58 of 141 (208019)
05-14-2005 9:37 AM
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05-14-2005 9:28 AM


Re: prior restraint
to quote the great poet jay-z...
Rap IS an effective tool of communication, YO.

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Message 59 of 141 (208020)
05-14-2005 9:39 AM
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05-14-2005 6:16 AM


Re: dear aclu. defend this.
This kid at my work (Safeway) likes to wear dresses on the weekends when he goes clubbing. He is eccentric but he is far from what I would call "weird>" He is probably going to turn out more "normal" than most of his peers>
What does everyone think of the A.C.L.J.?

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