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cavediver
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Message 106 of 176 (475968)
07-20-2008 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 6:59 AM


2. the second amendment is a response by our ancestors to thier ancestors, after reading thier dribble on the past two pages it is so obvious that the founding fathers knew so much about the british back then that so adequately applies to british today.

:laugh: welcome back Artemis - you're far funnier when not suspended :laugh:

I cannot even begin to fathom the idea of a monarchy

It's about this thing called history, and I completely understand that that's a concept with which you have little experience...


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 107 of 176 (476003)
07-20-2008 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by cavediver
07-20-2008 8:23 AM


welcome back Artemis - you're far funnier when not suspended

yeah i never figured out why i got supended. no email, no communication from the admin, just complete censorship. I must have said something really on target to get that kind of response fron the EVC "Man".

It's about this thing called history, and I completely understand that that's a concept with which you have little experience...

by far the funniest comment of the week IMHO,

whatever you say, subject.


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Granny Magda
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Message 108 of 176 (476004)
07-20-2008 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 12:42 PM


Just for the Record
Artemis Entreri - 24 hour suspension

For ongoing troll like behavior and, in general, poor quality messages.

Example: See here and up-thread.

This forum is primarily a text based exchange of ideas. Plastering the site with YouTube videos doesn't cut it. Post your thoughts and use links, YouTube video, etc. as support.

Also - Get to having a good relationship with your keyboard's "shift" key. Persistently neglecting to capitalize words correctly, especially at sentence beginnings, tends to really piss me off.

Adminnemooseus

From here


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Dr Adequate
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Message 109 of 176 (476008)
07-20-2008 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 6:59 AM


1. why even argue with these brits about this issue? this is our business, our country, our issue. anything they are saying about it is trollbait as far as i am concerned.

Does the same apply to Americans talking about Britain? Or are you guys allowed to do that?

2. the second amendment is a response by our ancestors to thier ancestors, after reading thier dribble on the past two pages it is so obvious that the founding fathers knew so much about the british back then that so adequately applies to british today.
3. we are free independent citizens, they are still subjects to a crown. I cannot even begin to fathom the idea of a monarchy, that's how free i am.

Oh, I see you are.

Hypocrite much?


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 110 of 176 (476009)
07-20-2008 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Granny Magda
07-20-2008 12:53 PM


Re: Just for the Record
so it was the youtube videos. and one of the admins is a grammar nazi. i will refrain from using youtube videos, even though the message stated using them as support which is what i did on the linked example.

poor quaility messages are purely subjective, and there is not much i can do about that.

i guess if i get cut off in the future it will be, because of lack of capitalization, and the lack of objectivity of the moderators, which to me is hilarious.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 111 of 176 (476010)
07-20-2008 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Dr Adequate
07-20-2008 1:14 PM


Does the same apply to Americans talking about Britain? Or are you guys allowed to do that?

Do we ever talk about British laws? I doubt it.

Oh, I see you are.

Hypocrite much?

Whatever you say, subject.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 112 of 176 (476012)
07-20-2008 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Rrhain
07-19-2008 6:42 PM


Right...because before the 1900s and the development of movies, there was no violence to speak of.

Actually you make my point even better. Violence has always been around, and presumably will always remain to some degree. Violence was here before guns, so that if you melted all the guns in the world, some one would figure out a way to kill their brother some how.

are you saying that comic books cause violence, too?

I'm saying that glorifying violence perpetuates violence and makes it normative. But then that really kind of goes without saying.

The point is that guns don't make killers, it makes them more sophisticated killers. Killers are bred.

But now you've piqued my curiosity and I'd like to hear your input. Should all guns be outlawed in the United States?


“I know where I am and who I am. I'm on the brink of disillusionment, on the eve of bitter sweet. I'm perpetually one step away from either collapse or rebirth. I am exactly where I need to be. Either way I go towards rebirth, for a total collapse often brings a rebirth." -Andrew Jaramillo
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cavediver
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Message 113 of 176 (476016)
07-20-2008 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 12:42 PM


whatever you say, subject.

I'd love to reply, but I've just recieved a telegramme from ma'am saying she'll set the corgis on me if I carry on in this way - and she is the boss and I am, as you say, the subject...


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cavediver
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Message 114 of 176 (476017)
07-20-2008 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 12:42 PM


yeah i never figured out why i got supended

I'm not sure about suspension, but this comment

i think you are misquoting him.

i did a simple google search of heinlein quotes, and i could not find those quotes. yet you speak of dishonesty.

made you sad geek of the week, for insisting on an internet link to a literary quote :laugh:

and then followed by this little gem

give me a link or STFU

just made you sad wanker of the month. Bit of growing up to be done, me thinks.


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Straggler
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Message 115 of 176 (476020)
07-20-2008 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 1:19 PM


Do we ever talk about British laws? I doubt it.

Feel free.

Whatever you say, subject.

Personally I would do away with the monarchy on philosophical grounds but to all practical intents and purposes their existence makes no difference to anything much at all.

I'll happily criticise Britsh law where I think it is stupid.
To get back to the subject at hand - I think the right for everyone to arm themselves is frankly mad.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 116 of 176 (476022)
07-20-2008 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 1:19 PM


Do we ever talk about British laws?

Yes. For example, in post #105, you disparage Britain for being a monarchy, which is a part of our constitution just as the Second Amendment is a part of yours.

Could you be more hypocritical?


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bluegenes
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Message 117 of 176 (476025)
07-20-2008 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 1:15 PM


Re: Just for the Record
Artemis writes:

poor quaility messages are purely subjective, and there is not much i can do about that.

Wrong. The capital letter at the beginning of sentences, like the period and the space at the end, is there to make it easier to distinguish between sentences, so that reading is easier.

So, if someone suspended you for leaving them out, that person could certainly claim an objective reason for doing so.


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Rrhain
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Message 118 of 176 (476081)
07-21-2008 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 6:59 AM


Artemis Enteri responds to me:

quote:
quote:
And the fact that you ignored 95% of the post to focus on two sentences would seem to indicate that I was correct in describing your argument as disingenuous. If you don't wish to defend your argument, that's fine. But don't pretend that it's because I'm insulting you.

he probably learned that from you, you are the professional at this.


(*chuckle*)

You clearly haven't been paying attention. My style of posting is to respond pretty much to every single word the original poster wrote. It pisses some people off since it generates very long posts and it can come across as being pedantic.

quote:
1. why even argue with these brits about this issue?

Because people are capable of considering things that don't directly affect them.

quote:
2. the second amendment is a response by our ancestors to thier ancestors, after reading thier dribble on the past two pages it is so obvious that the founding fathers knew so much about the british back then that so adequately applies to british today.

And when, after the founding of the US, did the UK have as bloody a civil war as the US did?

quote:
3. we are free independent citizens, they are still subjects to a crown. I cannot even begin to fathom the idea of a monarchy, that's how free i am.

Indeed. And this has relevance how?

You do realize that our right of habeas corpus, enshrined in the Constitution, is based in British law, right? In fact, a great deal of US law is pulled directly from UK law.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain
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Message 119 of 176 (476083)
07-21-2008 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Hyroglyphx
07-20-2008 1:53 PM


Nemesis Juggernaut responds to me:

quote:
Violence was here before guns, so that if you melted all the guns in the world, some one would figure out a way to kill their brother some how.

Um, just what do you think my position is? You have been paying attention, haven't you?

quote:
I'm saying that glorifying violence perpetuates violence and makes it normative.

Yes, but you targeted Hollywood. Let's not play dumb as to why.

quote:
Should all guns be outlawed in the United States?

If you would bother to read my posts, you'd know my position.

When are you going to do your own homework?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 120 of 176 (476094)
07-21-2008 3:36 AM


I haven't read this thread.

The topic is the SCOTUS ruling that me, as one of "the people", I have an indivdual right to own a firearm.

What's the problem?

It seems straight forward from the Constitutiton. I have been granted this legal right. What is the argument against me having this right? That guns are dangerous? I see them as another "tool". Should "hammers" be register and regulate? What about "knives"? What about "firearms"? Where is the line?

The NFA, while being a tax law, defines the categories on what is and is not a "firearm".

For example, "Destructive Devices", for anyone claiming that nukes and tanks are appart of the 2nd A, aren't "firearms" so the right to them is not granted by the 2nd.

To say that guns cause violence is the same as saying that pencils cause plagarism. And then we can argue that allowing pencils makes it easier for people to plagarize, and makes plagarism more effective, like guns make it easier to harm, and makes that harm more effective.

Personally, I would like more guns about. I'd like to carry one myself and assume the man next to me also has one. I bet that all these assholes I bump into on the streets of St Louis would be far more cordial if they thought I was packing. That they "know" that I'm not yields all sorts of assholishness that I bump into everyday (well, maybe not everyday, but all the days that I do go downtown. I mean, no body ever says "excuse me" anymore. No simple "hellos", nothing but a bunch of assholes bumping into each other without remark. It sucks ass. Nobody is friendly and it really "grinds my gears" [thanks Peter Griffen]. I honestly believe that if all of the law abiding citizens were "packing", then those assholes would be less assholish. Its that fact that we really cannot do anything about it, that permits the behavior. Now, having a gun on your hip doesn't mean you could actually "do anything" about it. Their use is strictly regulated. But it certainly, to me, makes people more friendly to each other. No talking shit or failing to excuse thyself would not be "acceptable" and people would be more cordial.)

And that's not eaven he reason I'm going to go buy a gun. I want one. I like them. Its a good thing to have when its "needed", and when its "needed" its a horrible thing to lack. Plus, as a recreational activity, shooting a gun is highly entertaining. The sense of accomplishment you get with improving your aim is right up there with kicking ass on an MMORGP because of the accomplishments I've acheived. Its just good ol fun stuff.

For those that need a justification for owning "bigger" firearms, me simply enjoying shooting them is reason enough. I like them and I want them. I have a right to have them, so you need a damn good reason to prevent me from having them. The danger of them, while considering that a hammer can also be danagerous, isn't really an argument against having them.

Holy shit that was a rant.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : changed NRA to NFA


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