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Message 13 of 315 (237986)
08-28-2005 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


My prayers going out to all.
May everyone stay safe and get your asses out.

I well remember Camille.It was pre I-10 days and I was going cross country by the southern route. Much of the coastal highway from LA eastward had been relocated to Arkansas. It was simply gone, as though it had never even been built.

Please do not understimate ANY hurricane.


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Message 15 of 315 (237992)
08-28-2005 1:06 PM
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Re: My prayers going out to all.
The highest elevations seen in this image is 0 ft.


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Message 69 of 315 (238985)
08-31-2005 1:00 PM
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08-31-2005 10:29 AM


Re: Can the city be saved?
I think you underestimate what is going to be involved.

First there are tens of thousands of refugees to be evacuated, 30,000 plus from the Superdome alone. If a helicopter could land there, and if it could hold 20 people, then you are looking at 1500 trips. If each round trip including loading and offloading, refueling and maintenance takes one hour, then you are looking at 62 days to get everyone out of the Superdome. If you could devote twenty helicopters to the task then you are still looking at over three days of round the clock transportation.

Closing the breach in the levies will take longer. In the final analysis they will probably have to expand the exiting structure to where it is wide enough and sturdy enough to drive on to get the fill material there. That will likely take several weeks at a minimum to months as a realistic schedule.

Once the breaches are closed, pumping the water out will likely take weeks. Only then can the detox process begin. In all you are looking at a year or two for recovery.

This is yet another example of what I've been talking about in relation to the Iraq War drawing off resources needed for national security.

And Hurricane Season is but half over.


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Message 70 of 315 (238986)
08-31-2005 1:01 PM
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08-31-2005 12:56 PM


Is this necessary?
Absolutely. The Iraq War was and is a complete misuse of available resources. This is but one example of the costs of that folly.


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Message 72 of 315 (239017)
08-31-2005 1:40 PM
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08-31-2005 1:25 PM


Re: Can the city be saved?
That's to be expected. Once the water rises to equilibrium it will stay the same.

The problem is getting the folk from their current location to the buses. Boats, helicopters and any other means will be used, but the sheer magnitude of the evacuation is daunting. Just to put it in perspective, the average city bus will hold 45 sitting passengers and is about 36 feet long. That means if you lined them suckers up the line of buses would be over three miles long.

There is a lot of work that needs to be done. If you can carry 45 people on each bus, and have 450 buses, it would still mean two trips for each bus just to handle the folk from the Superdome.


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Message 74 of 315 (239066)
08-31-2005 3:10 PM
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08-31-2005 3:03 PM


Re: Can the city be saved?
Yes, they are letting folk help. Just be sure to coordinate. And boats are the biggest answer, helicopters are somewhat inefficient.


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Message 92 of 315 (239210)
08-31-2005 7:20 PM
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08-31-2005 7:04 PM


Re: Global warming
While Global Warming is certainly a factor, it's not the main cause. Check out the website from William Gray out in Colorado to get a feeling for the various factors that are involved.


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Message 125 of 315 (239549)
09-01-2005 1:12 PM
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09-01-2005 1:11 PM


Re: I'd be more careful about mocking God
William Gray

LOL


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Message 130 of 315 (239588)
09-01-2005 2:07 PM
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09-01-2005 2:00 PM


Re: I'd be more careful about mocking God
Gotta love a prophet with his own WebStore. LOL


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Message 164 of 315 (239817)
09-01-2005 10:19 PM
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09-01-2005 10:14 PM


Re: Louisiana without clout
Somalia


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Message 170 of 315 (239824)
09-01-2005 10:40 PM


I'm sorry but many of the comments in this thread are just plain funny.
You folk seem surprised?

Were you really that clueless?

What will your reaction be when something really big happens?

Why are you worrying about what should have been done?

When will you start planning for the future?


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Message 217 of 315 (240055)
09-02-2005 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Lizard Breath
09-02-2005 6:09 PM


Re: Coast Guard
Hey LB. If you're part of the First Service, you have my full admiration. You folk are top notch and real heros.

IIRC though, you guys are somewhat short on shallow draft vessels due to the normal theater of operations. What is being done (the supply of shallow draft vessels in the area should be fine) to set up coordination, supply and maintenance for those that can be found?


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Message 228 of 315 (240081)
09-02-2005 7:38 PM
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09-02-2005 7:31 PM


Re: Coast Guard
Probably end up being a WPA type project to help out during the up coming depression.

Thank you sir. Very perceptive.


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Message 229 of 315 (240082)
09-02-2005 7:39 PM
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09-02-2005 7:37 PM


Re: Coast Guard
Don't forget the two diversion levies for the Atchafalaya Basin.


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Message 232 of 315 (240092)
09-02-2005 7:55 PM
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09-02-2005 7:46 PM


Re: Coast Guard
No, I'm not in better shape. And in addition, too old to even get most jobs.

And this is not the Big one.

We have neglected the basic needs of national security, particularly since the Reagan Administration, and we need to re-acquire that vision.

What is done over the next few years will determine if the US can continue as we know it.


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