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Lizard Breath
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Message 226 of 315 (240077)
09-02-2005 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by jar
09-02-2005 6:17 PM


Re: Coast Guard
We're being told that after we get the hospital patients out, we'll be hauling in some crazy levy stab system of jigs for maybe 3 weeks to get the thing temp fixed. Rumor has it that unless the levy is completly replaced, it's going to be a hard sell for any serious rebuilding.

That's outside of my area of knowledge but putting in a new levy system has to be extremely difficult. Probably end up being a WPA type project to help out during the up coming depression.


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Lizard Breath
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Message 227 of 315 (240079)
09-02-2005 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Omnivorous
09-02-2005 7:29 PM


Re: Coast Guard
I didn't fully realize the fragility of our infrastructue concerning oil until now. If I was a terrorist, I'd hit the oil refineries in San Fransico Bay. Which speaking of politics, I do think Bush is commiting National Hare Cari by not putting some beefed up protection around them for the next 9 months.

They are by far the most vulnerable to rocket attack by boat due to their close proximity to water and the abundance of larger private water craft which could conceal launchers and normally cruise around there.


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jar
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Message 228 of 315 (240081)
09-02-2005 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Lizard Breath
09-02-2005 7:31 PM


Re: Coast Guard
Probably end up being a WPA type project to help out during the up coming depression.

Thank you sir. Very perceptive.


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jar
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Message 229 of 315 (240082)
09-02-2005 7:39 PM
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09-02-2005 7:37 PM


Re: Coast Guard
Don't forget the two diversion levies for the Atchafalaya Basin.


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Lizard Breath
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Message 230 of 315 (240089)
09-02-2005 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by jar
09-02-2005 7:38 PM


Re: Coast Guard
I like to come off as very confident about the future to match my tough guy image, but honestly this is starting to scare me.

I learned recently that 75% of the World's savings is coming into this country on the currency market to float our debt. And we are STILL deficit spending. So what happens if our currency defaults during the depression. The EU comes in and we switch to euro's at a 15 to 1 ratio. Their currency is backed by gold. Ours is backed by debt.

I've got a mortgage which means I'd need 14 more full time jobs to hold on to my house.

You in better shape to weather out that situation? I hope you are. I could see taking $1500 to go buy 2 weeks of groceries if inflation take off.


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Nuggin
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Message 231 of 315 (240091)
09-02-2005 7:55 PM


All this talk of repairs...
Exactly how much repair do they think they are going to get done before the next hurricane hits.

Hell, I'd be suprised if they got it all under control before NEXT hurricane season, and we haven't even hit the peek of THIS season


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jar
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Message 232 of 315 (240092)
09-02-2005 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Lizard Breath
09-02-2005 7:46 PM


Re: Coast Guard
No, I'm not in better shape. And in addition, too old to even get most jobs.

And this is not the Big one.

We have neglected the basic needs of national security, particularly since the Reagan Administration, and we need to re-acquire that vision.

What is done over the next few years will determine if the US can continue as we know it.


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Lizard Breath
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Message 233 of 315 (240096)
09-02-2005 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by jar
09-02-2005 7:55 PM


Re: Coast Guard
I do not see how a service oriented economy can grow enough to outpace it's deficit spending and national debt while preserving the same or comparable QLI as we know it.

I am not a wiz bang economist, but I see financial trouble in all dirrections. I hope I'm overlooking some huge variable in our favor.


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Lizard Breath
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Message 234 of 315 (240097)
09-02-2005 8:04 PM
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09-02-2005 7:55 PM


Re: All this talk of repairs...
More rumors here but we have been told that the Gulf could warm another 4 degrees yet this year. Four degrees warmer means that if another large tropical storm rolls in, it's solid cat 4 time and possibly (although not likely) a certified cat 5.
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Lizard Breath
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Message 235 of 315 (240098)
09-02-2005 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Nuggin
09-02-2005 7:55 PM


Re: All this talk of repairs...
The temp repairs will be more vulnerable than the original levy structure. The total rebuild will probably be too expensive.

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MangyTiger
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Message 236 of 315 (240101)
09-02-2005 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Lizard Breath
09-02-2005 7:46 PM


Future problems
Depending on the time scale I don't think it's the Euro you'll be worrying about - sadly it won't be the Pound either :(

My money would be on the Yuan.

Getting back somewhat to Katrina and the discussions of levee maintenance - for years governments (especially in the US and UK I would suggest) have been moving away from funding long term very expensive infrastructure projects, especially from the public finances.

Although there may be good reasons for this it does seem to have been getting worse since the late seventies and early eighties - and the short sightedness of it is going to bite us in the butt sooner or later.


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Message 237 of 315 (240112)
09-02-2005 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Lizard Breath
09-02-2005 7:20 PM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
Just a question: we knew this storm was going to hit somewhere and that it was big enough to affect many cities on the coast ...

You show your ignorance to the situation. Command orders came down 12 hours after the storm hit to reconfigure the aircraft for FEMA missions.

... so why wasn't that 12 hours BEFORE the storm hit? OR MORE?

I mean, really: 12 hours AFTER????

Why weren't they reconfigured, loaded and ready to go before the storm hit?


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Message 238 of 315 (240113)
09-02-2005 9:08 PM
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09-02-2005 8:20 PM


Re: Future problems
My money would be on the Yuan.

And China would start telling us what to do ...

Somebody is selling this country, and it's not just people buying from Walmart.


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Message 239 of 315 (240115)
09-02-2005 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Monk
09-02-2005 12:41 PM


Leadership missing ...
the new topic on the leadership responsibilities of the Dept of Homeland Security is at

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1007&m=1 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1007&m=1">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1007&m=1

From the DHS website.


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Message 240 of 315 (240158)
09-03-2005 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by berberry
09-02-2005 9:57 AM


Re: Power finally restored at my house
Glad to see that you are OK, Berberry! We were all beginning to wonder about you...This is a terrible disaster, and many peoples lives have changed forever. Such is life, but life goes on. For the secular heart, life exists through communion of the species with ourselves...helping each other when we can.

For the believer such as myself, Gods love shines like a light through the species...we are the body and He is the head.

Berberry, tell us any stories that you have personally heard from people that went through the worst of it....


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