Hurricane Katrina

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New Orleans has a reputation for various kinds of corruption, but also it was the nation as a whole that was hit, not just the city. 9/11 was also a judgment on the nation as a whole.

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Those dirty sluts they were just asking for it! Of course this wouldn't happen to a nice girl/nation.

cuba is also used to having hurricanes, and bearing the brunt of the force of them, too. here in florida, we're a little less prepared. people in mobile homes or on the coast tend to evacuate either north or west. we tend to count on cuba and the bahamas to slow hurricanes down a little.i live about 15 feet above sea level, maybe a mile and a half inland. we have a nice set of barrier islands here, which help. we also have lots and lots of drainage canals. i live in a solid concrete block house. we're reasonably well assured that we can take just about anything the western coast of africa throws at us. storm surge never comes this far inland or this high. wind and rain do pretty much nothing. they only REAL concern is pressure -- enough wind and the roof pops off because of the bernuli effect. it's bolted down according to code, but in a big enough storm that hardly matters.we've never evacuated once. we might have been in the evacuation zoen for frances, but we might not. i forget. we've ridden out every hurricane we've ever had come our way, but never really had a direct hit. we sit pretty confident here -- we laughed katrina off.cuba is VERY prepared. we're sorta prepared, but not really.nola was not prepared at all.This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 09-05-2005 06:28 AM

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i had a thought that was similar. i know, i was ashamed too. but this one is probably a very valid point.the cause of this hurricane's immense growth was the temperature of the gulf of mexico. that increase was caused by global warming. global warming is caused largely by fossil fuels.the hurricane struck and destroyed the port where something like 80% of our oil is imported and refined.the cause and effect, although probably coincidental, are strangely karmic. maybe we shouldn't be worried about pissing off god, but about pissing off mother nature.

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let us know when you do. yours that is.your god must love Cuba:
http:///cgi bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=988&m=295#295the problem is that you make conclusions irrelevant to the evidence.personally I think you owe everyone on this board an apology for your narrowminded "blame everybody but me including people who live as far away as alaska (but I'm ok I believe in my god)" attitudebut I don't expect to see one coming, because of your narrowminded "blame everybody but me including people who live as far away as alaska (but I'm ok I believe in my god)" attitudethis is the same attitude that would take the preventative measures used by cuba to deal with their cat5 hurricane and which prevented the loss of life ... and attribute that to your god, not to the people that did the actual work.get a reality check while your on vacation, they're cheap. In fact because of the hurricane, they're on discount.This message has been edited by RAZD, 09*05*2005 07:34 AM

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What I'm trying to point out is that the resources to do everything are limited. You have done a good job in assessing the logistics of moving these mobile centers. This requires assets. Now think of the same situation with the amphibious craft. They need to be moved in quickly but the required assets to move them are pre disposed in the event of a terrorist attack.So you have to do some quick thinking on your feet as to how to pull away enough airlift support to go move them without jeopardizing the response of a nuclear terrorist attack. The levels or coordination to pull this off is staggering. Phone calls to crews and ground personel. Arrangements for fuel support downrange. Contingincy plans that are workable for "what if" senarios. All of this with a limited number of aircraft and personel and still supporting overseas operations in the pacific and atlantic.So what appeared as a slow response by Bush was acctually him stepping backand letting his logistics generals make the calls and he gave them the space they needed to do their jobs.He could have gave the order for everyone to drop everything and rush down there with their hair on fire but it would have created a log jam while looking good to the press. He had to keep the rest of the country safe while handling the hurricane. He didn't leave the back door wide open while trying to stop the rain coming in the front door.It takes a little while to spool up a big diesel engine but once it's up on line, it can do a tremendous amount of work in a short time. You guys wanted the diesel to wind up as fast as an electric motor while performing like a huge diesel one.

I think that they were betting that it would not breech and lost. The breech complicated things but the violence was a total suprise. Some looting is always planned for but what happened here was not expected. This is where these guys had champaign dreams on an "Old Millwalkee Light" budget. It sounded good but there's not enough money to do it per script.{qsWait a second I thought the invasion of Iraq prevented this from happening? And when did Pakistan become a threat? Well I guess if this is the case...[/qs]Bin Laden has aquired the technology to build suitcase nukes and supposedly been supplied a cash of nuclear material to build them. The original Soviet ones are too old to be reserviced so they are only good as dirty bombs. Much harder to plant because you need a large conventional explosion to disperse the radioactive material. I bet India would love us for that. Make Pakistan larger. Again, well thought out but requiring huge amounts of money. Most of these units are reserve units, they would have to be activated, paid, billeted, fed and supported by other units, most likely also activated reserves.This message has been edited by Lizard Breath, 09-05-2005 08:40 AM

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not all of them were stealing things (and many who were should be honored, not reviled, since many were stealing food for their babies or buses to get people the hell out of there since no one else was doing it),

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Exactly.I saw people "looting" a grocery store and mostly I saw people leaving with things like diapers, water, food, shoes, etc.I didn't see people breaking into expensive antique stores or art galleries.

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I would expect human beings to not create rape rooms and to not enguage the people who are there to help them. I would expect anger and rage in their tones, but not a breakdown of moral values.

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Are you aware of the Stanford Prison Experiment?We are social creatures and when put into certain situations, we will, all of us, act in ways that we never thought possible.

I find the Montreal Police Strike of '69 a more compelling demonstration; in that it was not in any way staged.

Because they rejected His Son.They also had the audacity to follow their own scripture.Brian

Actually, I find the fact that the Stanford experiment was staged to be even more compelling.These kids knew they were in an experiment, yet they displayed incredible emotional and behavioral changes due to the experimental conditions.They couldn't use the justification of an actual life or death situation, or that the "prisoners" had actually comitted some crime.They knew it was all fake, yet look what they did.

We are drifting off topic. As one who knows many whackos both atheist and Christian, I can only say that we end this thread with aprayer for
those ordinary folk who were affected by Katrina.Christians, please say a prayer. As for the rest of you, thanks for your comments on Hurricane Katrina. Any new threads may be started, but lets stay on topic.One new thread may be titled "Does Bush care about poor people"?

editThis message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-05-2005 08:36 AM

How about this example of Stanford parallels? I read about that experiment in psychology, and I totally agree with you Schraf!We gotta shut this post down, though.(Or can Percys new server handle larger posts?)

and definitely time to put this one to bed.

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