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Phat
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Message 10 of 158 (405998)
06-15-2007 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
06-15-2007 1:04 PM


getitng sprung
Taz writes:
In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women.
Is that all they are going on? Genital arousal patterns? sheesh.
Sexuality is a lot more than arousal patterns.

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Phat
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Message 17 of 158 (406149)
06-17-2007 11:26 AM
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06-17-2007 8:53 AM


Re: getitng sprung
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But, genital arousal patterns are extremely closely tied to sexual arousal, wouldn't you say?
Yes, but there are many reasons why a person gets aroused. Some of them may tie in with childhood molestation issues, and do not in any way relate to genetic predispositions.
There may be some people that don't elicit a physical arousal yet whom one is intensely emotionally attracted to. There may be other people that elicit a strong physical arousal yet who would not be thought of as appropriate sexual partners.
Secular psychology is too quick to label a person as predominantly homosexual. Either that or our cultural identities are skewed.
What society tells you that you are supposed to act like within your sexual preference is often wrong, IMHO

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Phat
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Message 21 of 158 (406197)
06-17-2007 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Taz
06-17-2007 11:33 AM


Whats a gay kid to do?
Taz writes:
Not all of us see sexuality as some kind of sin against god, you know.
Awareness of and relationship to God is a whole 'nother topic, Taz.
I agree that much of the church and professed Christians have repressed views on human sexuality, but by the same token I don't see the local GLBT community center as a bastion of human wisdom either. I believe that Groupthink can be a dangerous thing whether it is being practiced by militant Christian fundamentalists or by militant gay activists. This whole us versus them mentality is not helping the community at large to understand itself any better.
As an example, say that little Sam thinks (strongly believes) that he might be gay. While it may be bad advice to tell him to run to his local Pastor (unless the church is in sync with the real world) I believe that it is equally bad advice to tell him to run to the Gay Community Center. They too have prejudices and are not fully equipped to deal with a young mans problems and issues simply because they are tolerant of his inclinations.
The reason that I barked at you is that you assumed that I am some closet case who never fully embraced his sexuality or something!
Lets assume that at age 17, I had feelings of attraction for members of my same sex. If I had gone to the gay community at that time, I know that I would have found plenty of sexual partners. What I would not have found would be any better friends than the ones that I have had for the past thirty years!
In summation, I see much of social services and secular support as the liberal version of the church---(its a non-church support group).
Many of these people have the same hang-ups and neurosis as do the rest of us...ask me and I can tell you some stories of several "counselors" whom I have known personally!
In summation, I assert that an individual can get good advice and/or get screwed no matter which way they turn for support. The church should not be vilified, just because a collective group of ex-fundamentalists has decided that they were duped.
For the record, I have never told any gay kid that I have mentored that their sexuality was wrong nor that God was mad at them if they chose not to be celibate.

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Phat
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Message 33 of 158 (406513)
06-20-2007 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Taz
06-20-2007 4:31 PM


Chat Bots and X-Men mutants unite!
Taz writes:
From now on, Phat is neither gay nor straight. He's a mutant (reference to a mutant character in X-Men).
Well, you used to think that I was a Chat-Bot, so maybe you have something, here!
I don't know why I even feel a need to defend myself in an anonymous posting board, but for the record, I am probably one of the most liberal of the faith based volunteers that the State has. You couldn't even get in there with your views unless you had a Sociology degree and were a victims advocate.
You say that i indoctrinate the kids with fundamentalist flawed thinking, but I am quite sure that I do not. I know the difference, trust me. (which obviously, you do not)
If you think I indoctrinate, wait till you had a listen to the Pentecostals that go n there and speak in tongues! They are laughed at even by the kids!

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Phat
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Message 36 of 158 (510228)
05-29-2009 2:47 AM
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06-20-2007 7:55 PM


Re: Chat Bots and X-Men mutants unite!
Taz writes:
I've been letting myself carried away too much by this. From now on, Phat is neither gay nor straight. He's a mutant (reference to a mutant character in X-Men).
So Taz? Have your views changed any in the past year or two? I still maintain that there is no such thing as casual sex. Extreme intimacy leads to mental patterning.

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Phat
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Message 46 of 158 (511266)
06-08-2009 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Hyroglyphx
06-06-2009 10:35 AM


Re: Chat Bots and X-Men mutants unite!
Phat, to Taz writes:
So Taz? Have your views changed any in the past year or two? I still maintain that there is no such thing as casual sex. Extreme intimacy leads to mental patterning.
Hyro, commenting writes:
I'm a little confused as to what exactly you mean. Are you saying that casual sex is impossible because it leads to "mental patterning" or that people are much more prone to it when they do have casual sex?
Any time an event of deep emotion is shared, there is a form of a bond. Hostages, for example, understand each other for life once the shared experience bond them together. I suppose that casual sex could be unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but if so, it is nothing more than mutual masturbation...hardly a bonding experience.
Once someone has had multiple and virtually anonymous partners, they have established a mental pattern and addiction that is difficult to break out of. Even if they claim to love someone special, the sexual intimacy is not nearly so deep as it would be had the person remained somewhat celibate prior to the relationship. (no I have no proof! sheesh!) My point is that repeated acts of casual sex numb and dull the sensors.

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Phat
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Message 78 of 158 (511441)
06-09-2009 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Rahvin
06-09-2009 1:57 PM


I agree
I think that your approach is the most rational.

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