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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It's not gay/straight. It's not gay/bi/straight. It's a vast scope. It doesn't have to be...
There's straight. Right, we'll call that "Straight".
There's straight identified who go after one guy one time. There's straight identified who are occasionally interested in d*#k so they hire transexuals - 99% of their clientelle are straight guys. Gay guys aren't interested in a woman with a penis. There's straight identified who occasionally want to be on the receiving end. There's bi identified who've only ever dated women. There's bi identified who will only hook up with guys during three ways. There's bi identified who split their time 50/50 There's gay identified who have a wife and kids. There's gay identified who are occasionally interested in very manly women. and there's not-straight... We'll call that "Gay." So there ya go... Straight and Gay. * /me removes toungue from cheek
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Oh come on CS, where's your imagination? It's not that black and white anymore. No, its white (striaght) and not-white (gay). There's just a whole grey scale of gayness going on
Bi-sexual doesn't make you gay or straight, however, it does make strippers a lot more interesting. Bi-sexual makes you not-straight. So then you're gay (logically). Paying a stripper to act gay doesn't make her gay if she's just doing it for the money.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
From Message 55
By those standards 75% of the women under 30 in American are "gay". I suppose we could quibble over the percentage, but nah, you're right... women are pretty gay Although, the article in the OP is talking about men, and that's what my "standard" was for.
Find me one who's NEVER kissed another girl? I dunno though, two impressionable young women standing inside a circle of drunk guys chanting "kiss her" that end up doing it to shut them up shouldn't qualify as being not-straight. Just like the stripper who does it for the money. Or this one girl I remember from high school. She was cute and had a boyfriend or two. Then she got kicked out of her parents house and moved in with this older girl who was a bull-dike. After living with her for a while, she "found out" that she was gay and cut her hair real short and started dressing like a dude. Then I didn't see her anymore. I saw her again recently and she's married and has two kids I don't think she was nearly as gay as much as she needed a place to live. She just let someone else influence her into doing something she wouldn't have normally pursued. She could maintain her striaghtness unless she really liked it, then she's gay. It doesn't really work for men though. I couldn't fake being gay to save my life, with the whole vomiting and having a flacid penis going on. That's why men are either straight, or not. from Message 56 So, you're either white (from England or Norway) or black (from Italy or Africa) You're either tall (6'0" or above) or short (5'11" or below). You're either rich ($100,000 or more) or poor ($99,999 or less). You're either old (40 or more) or young (39 years 364 days or less). You're either Christian (Greek Orthodox church) or Pagan (Roman Catholic, Methodist, Hindu, Jedi, etc)
Now you're getting it!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
...It's a slippery scale too, just don't ask what makes it slippery. Gross...
Bi-sexual makes you not-straight. So then you're gay (logically). At times you'd be considered gay, at times you'd be considered straight, thus (bi)-sexual seems a better fit (logically).
Not according to my standard in this thread. If at any time you're not straight, then you're gay. But being gay doesn't have to mean that you can't get it on with the oppoisite sex.
If a female is bi-sexual (for my examples I only use females ), Oh, that's your problem. Females are a peculiar bunch. Nobody has them figured out yet. To try to maintain something of a topic here... from the OP:
quote: We're talking about dudes (if you want to bail now, that's cool).
But you can't really label someone who finds both sexes attractive gay or straight. Sure you can, as I have for this thread: If you're not straight, then you're gay. Plain and simple.
Wait, strippers aren't being honest and up-front? You mean I'm not that interesting and attractive? Fuck! You're interesting enough (because you're funny), but from your myspace videos I can assure you that you are not attractive
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Wait, your saying if someone blows a dude once he's gay for life? That doesn't seem fair. Life's not fair, Oni. But yeah, that's what I'm sayin' (especially if he got a boner while doin it or didn't throw up)
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But being gay doesn't have to mean that you can't get it on with the oppoisite sex.
And why doesn't that work just the same for being straight?
Because things have been defined in terms of strait-ness. If we defined it as gay or not-gay, then being gay would mean that you could never have done it with the opposite sex.
The person is completely straight, but every now and then gets it on with the same sex. Gay.
If you can be completely gay but get it on with the opposite sex and still be gay, then the same works for being straight and getting it on with the same sex and still being straight. No, because straight is being defined as never doing anything with the same sex.
If it's good for one side of the argument it's good for the other, right? Nope.
I have a friend, a comic, ( NOT ME), Oh, here we go... another one of those "I have this friend" stories....
who is straight as an arrow but has "gotten it on" with another dude in the heat of a threesome. Just being in a threesome with another dude is pretty gay.
He's never ever been attracted to men, but found himself in the heat of the moment with another dude and said fuck it, and plugged him. I guess he's not gay becuase he's never done it since, according to him, but he's very up-front so I have no reason to doubt him. But by your standard he is gay because he did it once. Yes, by my standard in this thread he is not-straight, and that makes him gay.
How about dudes who are into "snowballing"...? Is that gay? I honestly don't know, but I'm gonna go with no on that one because there's no other people of the same sex involved. Its you're own spunk so... It'd be like drinking your pee, and that doesn't make you gay.
It's a weird world right now CS, I don't think much can be defined in terms of human sexuality anymore. Its a pretty simple standard though... There's the group of people who don't do any freaky* shit, the dull and boring "straight" group. And then there's the others... and they're all gay *where 'freaky' involves the same sex
I've lost 40 pounds since those videos! I'm a hunk of a man these days. Hey, congradulations!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Dude, I've gotten a boner during air turbulence - lol It gets me every time.
I don't think your argument is very good. If you can be gay and get it on with the opposite sex and remain gay, then you can be straight, have sex with the same sex and remain straight. It just seems logical if we make the argument for one we can make the argument for the other.
If that's your only problem then I cleared it up in Message 65 and you can reply there.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
And from what I've seen, the cream inevitably rises to the surface. There's gotta be a better way to phrase that...
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Because things have been defined in terms of strait-ness. If we defined it as gay or not-gay, then being gay would mean that you could never have done it with the opposite sex. "We defined it in terms of straightness"...? Old definitions are no longer relevant these days. There is no destinction between a gay human and a straight human, so if a gay person can have sex with the opposite sex, then a straight person can have sex with the same sex, both keeping to their original sexual orientation. Now I agree that by "old" society standards, it may not be viewed like that by everyone, you being an example of that. But an eventual social change will take place where this opinion will be more and more the norm.
No, because straight is being defined as never doing anything with the same sex. Fine but then gay is defined as "never having sex with the opposite sex." But wait, what about people who were straight for a portion of their lives and are now gay? Clearly those people have had sex with the opposite sex so, "gay" doesn't mean "never having sex with the opposite sex." Then equally, straight isn't defined as "never having had sex with the same sex".
Hey! They're my premises in my argument so I get to define the words. But yeah, its old vs new. /shrugs
Wait, I was in one with another dude and it was totally not gay. Our swords never crossed paths and it was always eye contact between him and I. You couldn't keep your eyes off him, could you Versace?
Here's a great radio interview with Jim Jeffries and Patrice Oneil on what's considered gay, both stand-up comics, on the Opie and Anthony show. I laughed my ass off. And it goes well with this thread. I'll take a look when I can. Thanks for the link.
But honestly, this is an old view that will eventually fade out. Meh. Probably eventually. People are still making a big deal about it these days though. I mean, take a look at the latest cover of Rolling Stone magazine... Is some flaming douche comming out of the closet really cover material!? And why the absolute dichotomy if its all a big grey scale?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Of course, Catholic Scientist, you've just declared you're gay: You wish, Mr. Fancyshirt. Just face it, Rrhain: I'm not going to have sex with you. You might as well just stop trying.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But in all reality, how many hookers out there find a deep sense of job satisfaction? How many are really fucked up in the head, due in part to their job? I think you're overlooking hookers who are legally prostitutes in places like The Netherlands or even Nevada. They don't seem to have a lot of head fuck-ups from their job. You seem to be focusing on the street-walking hookers, who are fucked-up in the head for most likely a myriad of reasons.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It was just a bad example.
It'd be like looking at a homeless panhandler and saying that sitting on the sidewalk makes you lose your teeth. Post hoc ergo propter hoc Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Thanks to cs for reminding me about this long forgotten subject.
ABE Cannabis is a plant before it's a drug.
correction. Its an illegal plant. Actually, its the chemical in the plant that is the controlled substance and not the plant itself, right? /ABE It reminds me of that scene from the movie Blow, where Johnny Depp's character is in court talking to the judge and he's all: Come on... 'I crossed an imaginary line with a bunch of plants' pfft big deal. Then the judge goes: 'Unfortunately for you, that line was real, and those plants were illegal. I sentence you to...' That's from memory so the quotes might be off a bit. Anyways, were supposed to be talking about sexuality, not illegal drugs. Is there a gradient of grey sexualities or is it black and white. My previous posts in this thread were fairly tounge-in-cheek. I do suppose there's a gradient although the research in the OP does seem to suggest otherwise for men. I honestly just don't know. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I'm an American. There is nothing outside of our country that is worth discussing.
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