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onifre
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Message 39 of 158 (511145)
06-06-2009 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Taz
06-06-2009 12:11 PM


Re: Chat Bots and X-Men mutants unite!
HOWEVER, I also know people who would go from one person to another night to night. They can't seem to stop. They don't believe in double dipping. Once they have slept with someone, they don't want to see them ever again. I must admit that I don't understand much of their mentality regarding sex. But I do see them as living proof of the existence of casual sex.
Sadly, I currently fit this bill. But I've been on both sides of the coin and there is no real "mentality", in my opinion, with either side.
When I'm not with someone I enjoy casual sex. Also, my profession has me traveling a lot so monogamous relationships are not always easy to do.
I'm living proof of the ability to have casual sex and not have any attatchments beyond just the physical.
These same people keep telling me that I'm missing out on something that is really great. And I keep telling them they're missing out on the wonderful world of monogamy.
One of my comic friends, Ted Alexandro, has a great bit:
"Being single is a balance between euphoria and loneliness. Loneliness right before you go to bed, and euphoria the rest of the time."
[ABE] I just realized what you said, you've only had one partner? Shit, I don't think I could have ever done that...[/ABE]
- Oni
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Message 43 of 158 (511227)
06-08-2009 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Taz
06-07-2009 4:20 PM


Re: Chat Bots and X-Men mutants unite!
Unlike most fundies I know, I actually kept true to my vow of abstinence before marriage.
I'm guessing this was a personal vow, rather than religious?
One girl came to mind who was and still is a major anti gay marriage evangelical type. She was always breaching to people about sin and all that nonsense. One day I got the news from her that she was getting married. Immediately, I asked her "are you pregnant?" and she gave me a simple "yes".
...Sounds about right.
It's like the abortion issue. You're not pro-choice until you're put in a situation where it's the only option.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 47 of 158 (511269)
06-08-2009 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
06-08-2009 5:48 PM


Re: Chat Bots and X-Men mutants unite!
Any time an event of deep emotion is shared, there is a form of a bond.
You should come on the road with me and hit up the dirtbag places I go to. The only bond made is the agreement to never speak of the event again.
I suppose that casual sex could be unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but if so, it is nothing more than mutual masturbation...hardly a bonding experience.
It's humans at their most primitive. Our current society has established and attached all this emotional baggage to sex, as if sex were something more than the act of reproduction? It simply doesn't work that way. Sex is instinctual, it's primitive and it trumps love any day, since it evolved looooooong before love did.
Once someone has had multiple and virtually anonymous partners, they have established a mental pattern and addiction that is difficult to break out of.
Do you have evidence for this, Phat? I mean personal evidence? I don't think you're speaking out of experience here. Multiple partners don't just equal some unbreakable mental pattern. I've had multiple sexual partners and can be in a monogamous relationship as well. Hell, I was married for 7 years and never was unfaithful.
Sorry, but I think you are talking out of your ass, dude.
My point is that repeated acts of casual sex numb and dull the sensors.
I can guarantee you that my "sensor" is not "numb".
PS. Mutual Masterbation...totally awesome! But usually costs extra.
- Oni

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Message 48 of 158 (511271)
06-08-2009 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Nuggin
06-08-2009 5:27 PM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
There's straight.
There's straight identified who go after one guy one time.
There's straight identified who are occasionally interested in d*#k so they hire transexuals - 99% of their clientelle are straight guys. Gay guys aren't interested in a woman with a penis.
There's straight identified who occasionally want to be on the receiving end.
There's bi identified who've only ever dated women.
There's bi identified who will only hook up with guys during three ways.
There's bi identified who split their time 50/50
There's gay identified who have a wife and kids.
There's gay identified who are occasionally interested in very manly women.
I think we can sum this up with "pick a hole and put something in it."
Human sexuality is at best a gray scale.
I think there is no set standard for human sexuality. What has been established are old ideological standards that are no longer relevant, since our society has expanded so much.
There are no rules to human sexuality, do what makes you feel right and fuck what other people think. - Just my PoV.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 52 of 158 (511330)
06-09-2009 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2009 10:42 AM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
So there ya go... Straight and Gay.
Oh come on CS, where's your imagination? It's not that black and white anymore.
Bi-sexual doesn't make you gay or straight, however, it does make strippers a lot more interesting.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 53 of 158 (511334)
06-09-2009 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Theodoric
06-08-2009 8:37 PM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
I really think the view that "that never happened in the old days" is a fallacy. I do not think there are any more gays, bi's or whatever now than there ever has been. There was never a more "moral" time. Certain people wnat us to bleieve this and want us to believe that there was a "moral golden age". Bullshit. There never was.
I agree with this to some degree. You'd have to admit though, with the vast amount of internet porn sites these days, peoples curiosity and levels that they'll go to has gotten a lot more creative than what people 50 years ago were expossed to.
I saw a dude getting reamed by a horse on Joe Rogans website. Unless you lived on a farm back then, that kinda shit wasn't available to you. But then again, I think there was a bit more of a sexual repression 50 years ago then today.
I'd be curious to hear from those who lived in those times to see what they were expossed to.
I couldn't agree more. Took me one bad marriage and lots of women(maybe some other experimenting) to find what made me happy. Now I am in a glorious monogamous relationship with a woman that accepts me totally for who I am.
Congrats. That's hard to find these days.
- Oni

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Message 58 of 158 (511348)
06-09-2009 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2009 12:35 PM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
No, its white (striaght) and not-white (gay). There's just a whole grey scale of gayness going on
...It's a slippery scale too, just don't ask what makes it slippery.
Bi-sexual makes you not-straight. So then you're gay (logically).
At times you'd be considered gay, at times you'd be considered straight, thus (bi)-sexual seems a better fit (logically).
If a female is bi-sexual (for my examples I only use females ), when she's with another female she's gay, when she's with a dude she's straight...and when it's filmed, it's awesome! But you can't really label someone who finds both sexes attractive gay or straight.
I guess they fall into that "slippery" grey scale of gayness, that you spoke of.
Paying a stripper to act gay doesn't make her gay if she's just doing it for the money.
Wait, strippers aren't being honest and up-front? You mean I'm not that interesting and attractive? Fuck!
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 59 of 158 (511351)
06-09-2009 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2009 12:53 PM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
It doesn't really work for men though. I couldn't fake being gay to save my life, with the whole vomiting and having a flacid penis going on. That's why men are either straight, or not.
Wait, your saying if someone blows a dude once he's gay for life? That doesn't seem fair.
*Note: I have never blown a dude!
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 62 of 158 (511359)
06-09-2009 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2009 1:16 PM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
But being gay doesn't have to mean that you can't get it on with the oppoisite sex.
And why doesn't that work just the same for being straight?
The person is completely straight, but every now and then gets it on with the same sex. If you can be completely gay but get it on with the opposite sex and still be gay, then the same works for being straight and getting it on with the same sex and still being straight.
If it's good for one side of the argument it's good for the other, right?
Oh, that's your problem. Females are a peculiar bunch. Nobody has them figured out yet.
That's 'cause no one is listening to Dr. Phil!
We're talking about dudes (if you want to bail now, that's cool).
I'm in, it's cool.
But a new study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists, at least in men.
The study, by a team of psychologists in Chicago and Toronto, lends support to those who have long been skeptical that bisexuality is a distinct and stable sexual orientation.
People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, are usually homosexual, but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted. "You're either gay, straight or lying," as some gay men have put it.
In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men.
If this is the evidence then it seems very inconclusive.
I have a friend, a comic, ( NOT ME), who is straight as an arrow but has "gotten it on" with another dude in the heat of a threesome. I jokingly called him gay for it, but he told me he wasn't. He's never ever been attracted to men, but found himself in the heat of the moment with another dude and said fuck it, and plugged him. I guess he's not gay becuase he's never done it since, according to him, but he's very up-front so I have no reason to doubt him. But by your standard he is gay because he did it once.
How about dudes who are into "snowballing"...? Is that gay?
It's a weird world right now CS, I don't think much can be defined in terms of human sexuality anymore.
You're interesting enough (because you're funny), but from your myspace videos I can assure you that you are not attractive
I've lost 40 pounds since those videos! I'm a hunk of a man these days.
- Oni

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Message 63 of 158 (511360)
06-09-2009 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2009 1:19 PM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
But yeah, that's what I'm sayin' (especially if he got a boner while doin it or didn't throw up)
Dude, I've gotten a boner during air turbulence - lol
I don't think your argument is very good.
If you can be gay and get it on with the opposite sex and remain gay, then you can be straight, have sex with the same sex and remain straight. It just seems logical if we make the argument for one we can make the argument for the other.
- Oni

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Message 71 of 158 (511413)
06-09-2009 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2009 3:35 PM


Hydro writes:
And from what I've seen, the cream inevitably rises to the surface.
CS writes:
There's gotta be a better way to phrase that...
...you beat me to the punchline!

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Message 73 of 158 (511419)
06-09-2009 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2009 2:02 PM


Re: Bi/Gay/whatever
Because things have been defined in terms of strait-ness.
If we defined it as gay or not-gay, then being gay would mean that you could never have done it with the opposite sex.
"We defined it in terms of straightness"...?
Old definitions are no longer relevant these days. There is no destinction between a gay human and a straight human, so if a gay person can have sex with the opposite sex, then a straight person can have sex with the same sex, both keeping to their original sexual orientation.
Now I agree that by "old" society standards, it may not be viewed like that by everyone, you being an example of that. But an eventual social change will take place where this opinion will be more and more the norm.
No, because straight is being defined as never doing anything with the same sex.
Fine but then gay is defined as "never having sex with the opposite sex."
But wait, what about people who were straight for a portion of their lives and are now gay? Clearly those people have had sex with the opposite sex so, "gay" doesn't mean "never having sex with the opposite sex." Then equally, straight isn't defined as "never having had sex with the same sex".
Oni writes:
If it's good for one side of the argument it's good for the other, right?
CS writes:
Nope.
, I say it does. I think this type of difference in opinion is simply old ways vs new ways. And sadly, CS, much like disco, the "old ways" are fading out.
Oh, here we go... another one of those "I have this friend" stories....
I swear! Wait, I'm an atheist...shit. Trust me...?
Just being in a threesome with another dude is pretty gay.
Wait, I was in one with another dude and it was totally not gay. Our swords never crossed paths and it was always eye contact between him and I. In fact, it was in a car, him in the backseat me in the front. It was cool, and a fun story for my future grandkids to hear about...and totally not gay!
I honestly don't know, but I'm gonna go with no on that one because there's no other people of the same sex involved. Its you're own spunk so... It'd be like drinking your pee, and that doesn't make you gay.
Here's a great radio interview with Jim Jeffries and Patrice Oneil on what's considered gay, both stand-up comics, on the Opie and Anthony show. I laughed my ass off. And it goes well with this thread.
Its a pretty simple standard though... There's the group of people who don't do any freaky* shit, the dull and boring "straight" group. And then there's the others... and they're all gay
*where 'freaky' involves the same sex
You sound like most of my friends , so I appreciate your opinion on this. But honestly, this is an old view that will eventually fade out.
- Oni

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Message 74 of 158 (511421)
06-09-2009 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Hyroglyphx
06-09-2009 4:45 PM


Maybe it was a Freudian slip?
Hey, whatever makes your cream rise, dude.
Now, about that pink Darth Vader costume...
- Oni

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Message 76 of 158 (511425)
06-09-2009 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Hyroglyphx
06-09-2009 3:25 PM


Re: Chat Bots and X-Men mutants unite!
Rahvin writes:
There is no need for sex to be so overrated in terms of bonding. One can have casual sexual partners and still maintain a healthy, loving relationship with one or more individuals. Frankly, sex doesn't need to be associated with love at all. Love is good enough by itself, with or without sex.
Hydro writes:
So, then, tell me... If there is such a big difference between sex and love, then why do mates become jealous of affairs? Why do they feel so hurt if it's just sex?
Well, equally then, what about situations in which someone is having an affair with someone just for the sex? They still love the person they're with but perhaps they were on the road doing a comedy show, got a little drunk and lonely and decided to bang on of the waitresses. In this situation neither the waitress or the unnamed comic feel anything for each other. I would consider that "just sex", wouldn't you...?
In the scenario you described you are telling of a situation in which a trust was broken due to sex. The hurt person usually cares more for the broken trust than for the actual act of sex.
I, too, know swinger couples. And from what I've seen, the cream inevitably rises to the surface.
... It doesn't get old. That's gotta be one of the funniest, unintentional lines I've read in this forum.
If what you speak of was true in most cases, the entire world would live this way. The evidence is overwhelmingly not in your favor. And it is entirely independent of cultural differences. Seems like there is something a little more hardwired than that, knowing that this is the case.
Monogamy is forced on us socially, we are hardwired against it; when I mean "we" I mean men.
The example of this is simply to look at who are normally more unfaithful? Men. So men are not "hardwired" for monogamy, in fact look at our sperm count and the fact that we can get a "new load ready for battle" within minutes of having "deployed the last load". This is a clear sign of multiple sexual encounters being the norm. Current social standards frown upon this, and we try to repress these instincts, but make no mistake, men seek more than one partner and current standards force us against it.
- Oni

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Message 79 of 158 (511446)
06-09-2009 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Phat
06-09-2009 6:39 PM


Re: I agree
I think that your approach is the most rational.
Have you give any consideration to Catholic Scientist's "rational" approach that "everything freaky is gay"...?
- Oni

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