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johnfolton 
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Message 541 of 612 (140554)
09-06-2004 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by patriot0717
09-06-2004 4:05 PM


Kerry is simply too unstable to lead , if attacked he would ask UN for his options.
I find it interesting that you seem to care about the constitution, so apparently there are democrats(like you) that actually care about their freedoms (Patriotic), and that democrats believe in God responsible for our freedoms, too, thought only republicans cared about the freedoms of the constitution(though Democratic Senator Zell is a patriot, too), however, the problem with Kerry is beyond the constitution, Kerry has already said if we are attacked (apparently forgot 911 was an attack, etc...))but whatever, he said he would ask permission before defending our country, this means to me that Kerry is not a patriot(living in past glory), but is now a globalists, meaning even democrats really have no choice but to vote for George W Bush, "if" YOU really value freedom, you don't want some proven flip flop asking the United Nations to tell him how to defend our country, this is the issue in the election, that Kerry is a proven traitor, selling hardened nucleur chip technology to china, aiding the north Vietnamese propaganda machine which is treason cause he was aiding comfort to the enemy, attacking Rumsfeld, another example of aiding comfort to the enemy, etc...
P.S. I'm not too crazy for GWB selection of Cheney cause, Cheney supports gay marriages, but well the only thing good about the election, is that you have a clear choice, to Vote for GWB to lead our country, or to vote for Kerry for the United Nations to lead our country, cause Kerry has not shown he is capable of making a decision, because he doesn't have the trust of our Vets, and he said he will flips our troops under UN control, he has already said he would consult the UN in times of trouble, like whats wrong with consulting Congress, being a soveriegn nation, in times of trouble, whats right about turning our troops to foriegn commanders(and UN taxes) this is why the Vets are against Kerry, common sense is to Vote for GWB, cause your voting for your freedoms, we are one of the only free countries remaining in the world, you don't want your children serving under foriegn commanders, bound by UN law, like in Somalia, our Royal Rangers, Americas finest troops were butchered and what could General Colin Powell do, cause they were under UN command under Clintons failed globalist experiment, Pat Buchanan wanted to close our borders so industries couldn't flee under the guise of free trade, but the people voted for our industries to flee, cause they thought Buchanan thinking radical to keep our industries in America, now you have another hurdle, do you want your children not protected by our military, to be butchered under UN command, without our military able to intercede, this is what your voting for, its called Freedom, Kerry said this is his answer to put our troops under UN leadership, which is why both democratic vets, independent vets are all calling Kerry unfit to be commander and chief, and by kerry's own lips says he will look to the United Nations, actually turning to them than us and ours, etc...
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Message 542 of 612 (140565)
09-07-2004 12:09 AM
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09-06-2004 10:40 PM


Re: whatever, please answer the question.
jar, I already gave you quotes of some of what TJ said, think you agree with works are evidence of faith, leaning this is why TJ said he was more of a materialists, not in line with all the doctrines of Jesus Christ(because he like you didn't believe the Word to be inerrant), likely cause of people like Gene Scott, challenging TJ materialistic interpretation of faith in his time, which is why he said he separated the gold from the dross. It was not that he didn't believe in Christ, like you believed more in line with fundementals(James faith without works is dead), and not just spiritalisms, so he didn't take the side of the Gene Scotts of his day, and we all can understand why, but this was addressing the complex issue of faith, that Jesus himself said the importance of works, etc... TJ only fault appears he was mistaken about the inerrantcy of the Word, and his materialistic interepretation of the Word. I'm not his judge in this respect, cause he believed in works and he believed in the Lord, but not in the inerrancy of the word, so hopefully he made it through the faith works controversy, and will be in heaven, like what a warrior for Christ, he believed even though he didn't take all the gospels epistles to be inerrant, etc...Doubting thomas needed to see, to believe, TJ believed even though he separated the gold from the dross, and well he sound a bit like you, cause he didn't take the bible gospels to be inerrant, however strange as it may seem, I take more literally, believing its all inerrant, the problem as I see it is that TJ was looking for the wisdom of the preaching, but because of the Jews rejecting the Word, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe, in this TJ believed, cause he didn't see the wisdom of preaching, but still believed, and this is kind of in line with the inerrantcy of the Word, it is based on faith, and without works faith is dead, meaning TJ believed in Works too, and in Christ, but didn't get into the meat of the Word, cause he didn't realize its inerrancy, so didn't like the epistles of Paul, which was Gods words to the gentile brethren, but he believed in Christ and not in Paul, which is the basis of salvation, but he did side with james in the issue of works, and that is quite interesting, etc...
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Message 543 of 612 (140612)
09-07-2004 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 536 by jar
09-06-2004 7:08 PM


Jefferson believed in a "wall between the church and state"
Thank you for keeping us up-to-date on what the whacky right is saying. I see why they want mandatory testing for school children. It is clear that we needed mandatory testing when they were in school, but didn't have it.
I regret that we waste so much time with the distractions that people like Whatever continue to interject into the debate. Here are 3 subjects that I would like to see talked about.
1. We're in Iraq. Maybe we shouldn't have gone in the first place or maybe we should have - but that's another question that has more to do with placing blame than fixing the problem. If we pack up and leave tomorrow, we leave Iraq in chaos. What do you think should be our criteria for turning the country back over to the Iraqis and how long do you think it should take?
2. What steps do you think should be taken to prevent Cheney from siphoning off billions of dollars into his Haliburton bank account via the Iraq war?
3. How do we stop Bu$h from raiding the social security fund and then eliminating the program all together?

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Message 544 of 612 (140617)
09-07-2004 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 533 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 5:48 PM


Re: Our freedoms are God ordained, lest we forget, and lose our freedoms
quote:
find it interesting both of these presidents TJ and GWB share in the believe that our charter of freedom is from God's Holy Book and not mans wisdom,
Then why did TJ rewrite the Bible, taking all of the miracles out?
quote:
less government not more
Ronald Reagan ballooned the size of government and also balooned the deficit.
Clinton shrank the size of government and gave us a surplus.
Bush Jr. has expanded the size of government and balooned the deficit again to the highest level it has ever been.
Hmmmm, which party believes in smaller government and fiscal responsibility again?

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Message 545 of 612 (140618)
09-07-2004 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 541 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 11:27 PM


Re: Kerry is simply too unstable to lead , if attacked he would ask UN for his optio
Whatever, how did the public get the idea that the people who flew the planes into the WTC were Iraqi?
Also, do you not mind getting a tax increase while the rich get a tax decrease?
Answer the questions.

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Message 546 of 612 (140646)
09-07-2004 11:30 AM
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09-07-2004 8:12 AM


How to win America back from the neoCONs
1. We're in Iraq. Maybe we shouldn't have gone in the first place or maybe we should have - but that's another question that has more to do with placing blame than fixing the problem. If we pack up and leave tomorrow, we leave Iraq in chaos. What do you think should be our criteria for turning the country back over to the Iraqis and how long do you think it should take?
2. What steps do you think should be taken to prevent Cheney from siphoning off billions of dollars into his Haliburton bank account via the Iraq war?
3. How do we stop Bu$h from raiding the social security fund and then eliminating the program all together?
(1) admit that a mistake was made and that we will work to fix it, including prosecuting those responsible for it. Then calling in Iraqi and international help to ensure that it is done correctly.
(2) impeach him
(3) defeat him
K?

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Message 547 of 612 (140669)
09-07-2004 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 542 by johnfolton
09-07-2004 12:09 AM


Re: whatever, please answer the question.
Whatever writes:
Kerry has already said if we are attacked (apparently forgot 911 was an attack, etc...))but whatever, he said he would ask permission before defending our country, . . .
. . . and he said he will flips our troops under UN control, . . .
...Kerry said this is his answer to put our troops under UN leadership...
. . . and by kerry's own lips says he will look to the United Nations . . .
Senator John Kerry writes:
Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security.
Whatever, usually the way in which a person determines credibility is to compare a persons words with the truth. The first conflict with the truth usually renders one's commentary suspect. The second and third departures from the truth usually render the source unreliable or misleading.
In your case, Whatever, I have withheld judgement after observing you depart from the truth several times. However, you have exceeded the "reasonable, honest mistake" threshhold and have now been exposed as intentionally misleading to serve your personal agenda, which appears to be to aid George W. Bush in his reelection campaign. In fact, your departures from the truth seem to parallel those of Bush and his campaign almost as if George W. Bush were your role model.
For my part, Whatever, I am interested in seeing Kerry be given the opportunity to lead our country because I have confidence, based on all that I have seen and read, Kerry is a strong, effective leader. He demonstrated that through his service in Viet Nam and through his continuing service to the country as an elected official.
My agenda is the best future for my 4, 6 and 19 year olds, Whatever. I would like to see Kerry defeat Bush not because I am a member of the same gang, but rather because I am interested in the truth. If you have some relevent truth to share - good or bad, for or against Kerry or Bush - I am interested in knowing about it, because there is a great relationship between truth and freedom. And that, my friend, is one of the biggest reasons I support Kerry's candidacy, because I believe that Kerry will be honest with the American people. And I KNOW that Bush has deceived America - not once, but consistently. Bush has lied, cheated and stolen America's goodwill, the 2000 election and international relationships. He even had the U.N. Representatives offices bugged!
Anyway, Whatever, to return to my original accusation against you for yet another misconception, falsehood, lie, or Whatever you call it, the reality (TRUTH, in other words) is that Kerry actually said, "Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security."
Senator John Kerry writes:
Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security.
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patriot0717
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Message 548 of 612 (140675)
09-07-2004 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 546 by RAZD
09-07-2004 11:30 AM


Re: How to win America back from the neoCONs
What steps do you think should be taken to prevent Cheney from siphoning off billions of dollars into his Haliburton bank account via the Iraq war?
impeach him
How many billions do you think he could steal during the impeachment process? There must be a more immediate solution. I like the idea of appointing an independent counsel to investigate corruption in the administration.
This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-07-2004 12:17 PM
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johnfolton 
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Message 549 of 612 (140677)
09-07-2004 1:23 PM


George Washington said that Congress was to protect the religion of Jesus Christ, and that the Virginia State Constitution is not the US Constitution. I agree though that the activist judges need to be held accountable by Congress, so its the will of the people and not the will of the few activist judges, cause is not this the basis of our freedoms, that the people rule, and not the power of the judiciary, etc...It is quite awesome that TJ rewrote the bible, though he really couldn't improve on the Word, cause its inerrant, but didn't I already agree that TJ didn't take the Word to be inerrant, I already supplied quotes that TJ gave himself that the charter of man was not used but the charters of God, in the rights of the people, and not the rights of the government to take these rights from the people because our rights are from the charter of God (the Bible), and that TJ himself said not to ever forget this, cause to forget this would bring judgement on America by God, actually he said the wrath of God, etc...
P.S. George Bush actually recieved permission from the UN before invading Iraq, we just didn't go and invade Iraq, and the world is a safer place, now that North Korea, Iraq is no longer threatening America, it is quite interesting how you all want to show our soft side to these terrorists, and George wants to show terrorist nations should never take the US for granted, because if George is president the terrorist nations will think twice before attacking america, as was the reason Libyia gave up it nucleur program, etc...Mr. Kerry is simply another William Chamberlain, saying peace while the terrorists say, show us you soft side, and Kerry saying to the terrorist, if you attack us we will not attack without first getting permission from the United Nations, and see what the French, Iraq, Iran think is best approach to deal with your terrorists, etc...We all know the United Nations fled Iraq when being bombed by terrorists, however, they refuse to acknowledge Israels right to build a wall of separation to protect the Palestinians children from walking across the border to blow themselves up, showing unfair bias, the United Nations are hypocrites and Kerry will seek their advise, if we are attacked, showing he is not fit to command, but he always seeks the aid and comfort of the enemy cause he believes in globalism, and not patriotism, as you well know from the Vets who were responsible for bringing this all to light, etc...Though when the Mystery Babylon falls were to rejoice, and apparently this maybe sooner than I care think, cause the anti-christ needs for Babylon to fall so he can control all that is bought and sold, and it appears it will be the EU that will be responsible for the destruction of the Mystery Baylon, cause of jealousness, to fullfill prophecy, the will of God, and well you can not blame TJ cause he warned of the wrath if we not keep in mind that our rights are from the King of Kings, and it appears you all don't agree with TJ, and how close were to the wrath of God, I simply will vote for freedom, and GWB for 4 more years, so I can get a job, and have the freedom to Worship the King of Kings, and God, cause its my God given right, that TJ acknowledged within the US Constitutions bill of rights, etc...Some countries have not this freedom, and we all see the attack on the pledge, on gay marriages, on the ten commandments in court houses, that soon the right to gather in belief in the religion of Jesus Christ in homes will not be acceptable, cause it will be considered hateful cause of our belief that gay marriages is an abomination, truly the gays are quite blessed to live in america, where even the infidels are protected, but the freedom to speak that the gay lifestlye is an abomination is under attack, even Cheney sides with the Gay marriage, however, GWB realizes that the Church should never be attacked for their belief in the sanctity of marriage, and requesting congress to protect the religion of Jesus Christ, George Washington said that its Congress role to protect the religion of Jesus Christ, how prophetic that this still holds true to this day, etc...
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Message 550 of 612 (140702)
09-07-2004 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 548 by patriot0717
09-07-2004 1:06 PM


Re: How to win America back from the neoCONs
I like the idea od appointing an independent counsel to investigate corruption in the administration.
Perhaps that is why the neocons went to such lengths with Ken Star to ensure that the concept was so totally discredited. It wasn't just that they wanted to nail Clinton, they wanted to pervert the process.

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Message 551 of 612 (140725)
09-07-2004 5:22 PM
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09-07-2004 3:49 PM


How to restore American Democracy
I like the idea of appointing an independent counsel to investigate corruption in the administration.
Perhaps that is why the neocons went to such lengths with Ken Star to ensure that the concept was so totally discredited. It wasn't just that they wanted to nail Clinton, they wanted to pervert the process.
Just because Republicans abused the Independent Counsel law doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water. This kind of government corruption is exactly the reason why we need to have the Independent Counsel option.
BTW here is an interesting video that you won't hear talked about on the corporate media. It's Ben Barnes apologizing for his assistance in getting George W. Bush a privileged slot in the National Guard.
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Message 552 of 612 (140750)
09-07-2004 6:38 PM
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09-07-2004 5:22 PM


Re: How to restore American Democracy
The main problem I saw with the old law was who "hired" the Independent Counsel -- the party in power? That'll be fair and unbiased!
I think it should come under the Justice Department, which should be under the Supreme Court ... and they should also be the ones suggesting judge appointments. That would make it more of a check and balance on the politicians.

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Message 553 of 612 (140754)
09-07-2004 6:56 PM


How to restore America
Start by paying out $2,280,000,000,000.00. That's a chunck of change.

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Message 554 of 612 (140765)
09-07-2004 7:19 PM
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09-07-2004 6:38 PM


Re: How to restore American Democracy
The main problem I saw with the old law was who "hired" the Independent Counsel -- the party in power? That'll be fair and unbiased!
I think in the old law, a committee formed from an equal number of members from each party selected the independent counsel - just to avoid this sort of situation.
I think it should come under the Justice Department, which should be under the Supreme Court ... and they should also be the ones suggesting judge appointments. That would make it more of a check and balance on the politicians.
Do you mean judges for the investigation? Maybe. If you mean appointments for Supreme Court Justices and other court appointments then I would be very worried by that. Remember this is the same Supreme Court that put Bush in the White House. Can you image Clarence Thomas or Antoine Scalia making Supreme Court appointments?

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Message 555 of 612 (140770)
09-07-2004 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by johnfolton
09-07-2004 1:23 PM


Whatever, how did the public get the idea that the people who flew the planes into the WTC were Iraqi?
Also, do you not mind getting a tax increase while the rich get a tax decrease?
Answer the questions.

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